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Absent Friend · 19th February 2013, 23:03

^I responded in his thread, so I'd like to move on from that to something else.

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Paul Joseph Watson on Alex Jones’ InfoWars.com accuses WWE of demonizing Tea Party Americans as racists and slams the “state of the union” segment with Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter on this week’s Raw.

The author mentions the remark on commentary that Swagger and Colter received “fan mail” from Alex Jones, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and asserts the angle is based on the McMahon family’s affiliation with the Republican establishment.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RU2mpbenr6o

It's just an angle, but the fact this is getting attention from the political world shows that this is working. For better or for worse.

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- WWE has a great article online over on dot com detailing the development of their new WWE title belt. Paul Teutul Sr. and his team over at Orange County Choppers helped place the W. The decision to make a new title belt was made a year and a half ago and more than $50,000 went into the preparation and production of it. According to the article, the creative team struggled with Internet leaks, impractical ideas and a proposed WrestleMania XXVIII unveiling that didn’t come true.

bungle2317 · 19th February 2013, 23:43

Vince vs Paul E = HHH vs Lesnar getting set up next week
Punk vs Cena = either Taker retuning or Triple Threat

Karmafan · 20th February 2013, 02:14

Punk walloped Cena with the belt and he laid there dead and Cena sold like he got hit by HHHs sledge in the head instead.

On another note... Santino is out with a neck injury and will be on the shelf for a while. Was injured back in January but he worked the RR anyways.

Mo · 20th February 2013, 04:26

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Originally Posted by bungle2317

Vince vs Paul E = HHH vs Lesnar getting set up next week
Punk vs Cena = either Taker retuning or Triple Threat

Most of the net & the guys here feel it's going to be Taker V Punk but whats the backround behind this so called feud.

Love Buzz · 20th February 2013, 11:35

Cena says: At Wrestlemania it will be Jack Swagger vs Alberto Del Rio
Crowd: Silence

Ah it speaks for itself. No reaction whatsoever when Cena said that. The 'universe' don't want that match but I agree with what Seven said:

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Ziggler cashes in after Swagger vs. Del rio, and then he's forced to defend the world title against Jericho. That's making Wrestlemania history. It might be booking not fit for the show, but it's at least interesting. Ziggler wins over Jericho, and gets an immediate stamp of approval as world champion.

If that happens then that would be fantastic but I think that is slightly above WWE to give us that much excitement.

Good point from bungle2317:

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Vince vs Paul E = HHH vs Lesnar getting set up next week

I don't think the match will be made til about 2 weeks from the PPV or something but now looks very likely. Vince in Trips corner and Heyman in Brocks corner with some sort of stipulation involved, probably to do with careers.

Colin_Work · 20th February 2013, 13:25

I think Swagger vs Del Rio can work...it just needs the time to mature. Swagger's anti immigrant promos are a good way to get him over as a heel and really push Del Rio as the face of the latino community that WWE wants him to become. SWagger has had to eat a lot of shit in the past year and a half or so, so with him being a former World Champion himself, it's good to see him getting another shot at the World Heavyweight Championship. And as for Ziggler cashing in...he still has around 5 months to cash it in. In WWE time, that's forever yet.

HHH vs Lesnar...this fight between Vince and Heyman next week is prime to revisit this feud. And you know what? I'm all for it. Their first match was more of just a fight. I'd like to see their rematch be an actual wrestling match. This isn't UFC...it's professional wrestling. Give us a wrestling match. And as far as rumors of Undertaker vs CM Punk at Mania? I would love to see that. I've heard that Taker wants to face Punk at Mania and have Punk be the one to end the streak...that way Taker can retire. He has alot of respect for Punk and if it's true that he wants Punk to end the streak, that just shows how much. Unless a story is started between them on Raw this coming Monday, it probably won't happen. Outside chance the week after.

Karmafan · 20th February 2013, 14:08

Its too soon for Swagger to go from jobber to Main Event PPVer. It just shows on desperate the WWE is right now and how stupid they think us fans are. Repackaging Swagger is fine but let him win some matches for a year or so AND THEN insert him into the Main Event picture.

Absent Friend · 20th February 2013, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Karmafan

Its too soon for Swagger to go from jobber to Main Event PPVer. It just shows on desperate the WWE is right now and how stupid they think us fans are. Repackaging Swagger is fine but let him win some matches for a year or so AND THEN insert him into the Main Event picture.

Wrestling time as dictated by the fast paced nature of weekly TV is different from normal time. Even by normal time, Swagger has been gone a while, 6 months. In wrestling time, that's longer and what has happened since then? A lot, so much so, the landscape is new for a returning Swagger to realistically dominate. They are banking on the potential of Zeb Coulter, and Jack Swagger's skills in the ring, to make for a viable challenger to the world title. It makes sense, and the socio-political aspect will be strong, and would show an actual attempt to create a draw out of this feud. Even with nothing, they have Cena/Rock (and/or Punk) to draw fans automatically. So, they can do whatever they want, the buyrate and turnout won't be drastically affected.

Plus it's the World title, not the WWE Championship. A title that has been dragged through the mud in recent Wrestlemania times, and this is actually a step up. The bar's been lowered, it's easy to raise it again. A rejuvenated Swagger with an already attention gaining gimmick in Zeb Coulter, is enough to propel him to the WHC main event picture. I didn't say the WWE title main event picture, those are two different fields.

Love Buzz · 20th February 2013, 14:51

If I had repackaged Swagger, he'd have a buzz cut and not gay fantasy adventure music, something more rocking. He should get an attire change too, he's been wearing that crap forever. Get some red, white and blue for this patriot gimmick. Along the lines of soemthing Kurt Angle would of worn but not an obvious rip off of course.. ankle lock.. which he took from Ken Shamrock of course. Good ol' insane Ken. Actually give him Kurt Angles music and turn him into Kurt Angle, changed my mind and make him as insane as Ken.

Colin_Work · 20th February 2013, 15:15

I feel that this resurgence of Jack Swagger is just at the right time. I mean, who wanted to see Del Rio vs Big Show for the title at Mania? Not me, that's for one. For too long, Swagger played second fiddle to Dolph Ziggler in their stable with Vicki. His US Title reign was nothing but a waste of time and made worse with him dropping the title to Santino. He's never been the greatest on the mic, so pairing him up with an old school guy like Zeb is the right fit. He's a former ECW and World Heavyweight Champion. He's got the "skills to pay the bills" and it's about time he's come back to take his place in the main event on Smackdown. With his ability in the ring, the match possibilities are fantastic.

19th February 2013, 23:43	#7412
bungle2317 Registered User Novice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 59 Thanks: 8 Thanked 160 Times in 54 Posts	Vince vs Paul E = HHH vs Lesnar getting set up next week Punk vs Cena = either Taker retuning or Triple Threat

20th February 2013, 02:14	#7413
Karmafan Who Cut The Cheese? Beyond Redemption Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 11,387 Thanks: 39,606 Thanked 38,110 Times in 9,853 Posts	Punk walloped Cena with the belt and he laid there dead and Cena sold like he got hit by HHHs sledge in the head instead. On another note... Santino is out with a neck injury and will be on the shelf for a while. Was injured back in January but he worked the RR anyways.

20th February 2013, 13:25	#7416
Colin_Work Registered User Addicted Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 284 Thanks: 106 Thanked 563 Times in 261 Posts	I think Swagger vs Del Rio can work...it just needs the time to mature. Swagger's anti immigrant promos are a good way to get him over as a heel and really push Del Rio as the face of the latino community that WWE wants him to become. SWagger has had to eat a lot of shit in the past year and a half or so, so with him being a former World Champion himself, it's good to see him getting another shot at the World Heavyweight Championship. And as for Ziggler cashing in...he still has around 5 months to cash it in. In WWE time, that's forever yet. HHH vs Lesnar...this fight between Vince and Heyman next week is prime to revisit this feud. And you know what? I'm all for it. Their first match was more of just a fight. I'd like to see their rematch be an actual wrestling match. This isn't UFC...it's professional wrestling. Give us a wrestling match. And as far as rumors of Undertaker vs CM Punk at Mania? I would love to see that. I've heard that Taker wants to face Punk at Mania and have Punk be the one to end the streak...that way Taker can retire. He has alot of respect for Punk and if it's true that he wants Punk to end the streak, that just shows how much. Unless a story is started between them on Raw this coming Monday, it probably won't happen. Outside chance the week after.

20th February 2013, 14:08	#7417
Karmafan Who Cut The Cheese? Beyond Redemption Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 11,387 Thanks: 39,606 Thanked 38,110 Times in 9,853 Posts	Its too soon for Swagger to go from jobber to Main Event PPVer. It just shows on desperate the WWE is right now and how stupid they think us fans are. Repackaging Swagger is fine but let him win some matches for a year or so AND THEN insert him into the Main Event picture.

20th February 2013, 14:51	#7419
Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,661 Thanks: 5,723 Thanked 13,028 Times in 2,763 Posts	If I had repackaged Swagger, he'd have a buzz cut and not gay fantasy adventure music, something more rocking. He should get an attire change too, he's been wearing that crap forever. Get some red, white and blue for this patriot gimmick. Along the lines of soemthing Kurt Angle would of worn but not an obvious rip off of course.. ankle lock.. which he took from Ken Shamrock of course. Good ol' insane Ken. Actually give him Kurt Angles music and turn him into Kurt Angle, changed my mind and make him as insane as Ken.

20th February 2013, 15:15	#7420
Colin_Work Registered User Addicted Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 284 Thanks: 106 Thanked 563 Times in 261 Posts	I feel that this resurgence of Jack Swagger is just at the right time. I mean, who wanted to see Del Rio vs Big Show for the title at Mania? Not me, that's for one. For too long, Swagger played second fiddle to Dolph Ziggler in their stable with Vicki. His US Title reign was nothing but a waste of time and made worse with him dropping the title to Santino. He's never been the greatest on the mic, so pairing him up with an old school guy like Zeb is the right fit. He's a former ECW and World Heavyweight Champion. He's got the "skills to pay the bills" and it's about time he's come back to take his place in the main event on Smackdown. With his ability in the ring, the match possibilities are fantastic.