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[SaintsDecay]

Being as I have both Summerslam and Raw to speak on, I'll condense this down into feuds. In truth, though, this is mainly "How The WWE Fucked These Feuds Up" by Saints.

HHH vs. Brock Lesnar
I actually thought this was a cool match at Summerslam. I was expecting just another match to give people a taste but not the goods, but we got what we wanted. I like the fact that Lesnar concentrated on Hunter's arm, and then Hunter concentrated on Lesnar's stomach-- you don't see that kind of thing much anymore. This was a real fight and I enjoyed that. There was also a long chain of nearfalls-- another thing that I enjoy if I buy the match itself. I really didn't expect Lesnar to win this one, but I'm glad he did. I'm glad Creative had the stable footing to see that, well, sometimes the good guy loses and the world has to fall into the hands of evil. As for HHH leaving, I'm really not buying it. I didn't think he had this kind of match left in him, and he did, but I'm certain that he'll be back within a few months as a personality and not a wrestler, much like he was doing before. I don't expect to see him headlining another PPV, though, and honestly I hope he doesn't. He needs to give the younger guys a chance, and there are a whole hell of a lot of younger guys in the WWE who deserve the main event.

As for Shawn Michaels, and you guys know how I feel about that prick, he will go down as a martyr for this. He'll be back in a month or two trying to get a little more spotlight, if not earlier, and the mindless marks will cheer for him. I just don't understand why. Even for the kids, even for the adults who know nothing about the business itself and merely consume the product, I don't understand why people cheer him. What are they getting out of it? I never could stand the guy after he got 'saved', and I really couldn't before then, but now he's just pathetic. Move the fuck on with your life. And speaking of which, that brings me to Paulie Heyman. I realize that his entire character is meant to be despised, and it's quite genius really, but I'm sick and tired of seeing him in the wrestling business. I loved ECW, but ECW is dead and gone. He needs to stop advising companies like WWE and TNA on how to improve their products in his image and fade into obscurity. ECW was a great thing back in the day, but you know what? He fucked up a good thing with his tendencies, and if people keep believing that he knows what he's talking about, they're going to burn just like ECW did.

Chris Jericho vs. Dolph Ziggler
I thought their match at Summerslam was great. Dolph is really getting good, but I'll elaborate on why he's not great in a minute. They followed up the good Summerslam match with a Contract vs. Contract match on Raw, and of course Ziggler won. Now, my question is, what the fuck? Obviously, Jericho wanted to some stuff with Fozzy again or for other reasons, but he picked the most inopportune time to do so. This is just like Mick Foley coming back to TNA earlier this year, getting appointed as the GM or whatever, and then taking off two seconds later. Jericho could've made a serious run with this, but what has he accomplished with what he's done thus far? Pick a lane and stick with it, man.

Now, back to Ziggler. There is only one reason why he hasn't gotten a legitimate chance at the gold, and that reason is Vickie Guerrero. I've said it before and I'll say it again-- Ziggler cannot progress in this business with Vickie managing him. Every god damn week, I hear "Excuse Me!" over and over again. That isn't the kind of company a champion needs. Ziggler can earn respect for himself if given the chance, but even when he does, the truth of that is numbed by Vickie. Like Paulie Heyman, she's so easy to hate and that's why she's great, but it's time for her to manage someone new at the bottom of the food chain because, right now, she's holding him back. Now, I realize that Creative could give Ziggler a chance and that Vickie still being around is all their doing, but this is one of those moves (or the lack thereof) that isn't in the best interest of the product.

CM Punk vs. John Cena
Punk is great right now-- every week, he becomes more and more like the kind of heel I adore. The whole thing of wanting Cena to say he's the best in the world, and then kicking Lawler out when he refused-- that was awesome. Even met with Cena's self-righteous tirade that we've heard a million times, he was unaffected. I like that, and it's a nice change from the "I'm better than you because I'm Straight Edge" gimmick he had before. The thing is, he's just telling the truth now. As WWE champion, he should be main-eventing Raw and every PPV the company has. He shouldn't have to take a back seat to the likes of anyone, and he should have respect for holding onto the belt for this long. The reason that he isn't getting respect, however, is because the WWE title is useless. It's a belt, not a championship in this company right now. When he took the title and left last year, it meant something then, but it doesn't anymore. Creative has given the people no reason to respect it or he who has it.

Really, every now and again, you need to remind people. You need to explain why people are doing what they do, coming out and fighting week after week for years. People need to know that it's not just another brass ring. It's not a spoil of war-- it's a reminder to people that you're the top dog in the business. It makes you a symbol far more powerful that the value of the title itself, or at least it's meant to be. Right now in the WWE, however, I can't think of any title that has this kind of meaning. The US title, a championship that used to mean more than the World title, is held by fucking Santino Mariachi. Really? Is this fair? Is this just? And the tag team titles are held by, in no uncertain ways, a team that consists of a wannabe gangster and a wannabe Rastafarian. It's just racist bullshit from Creative synthesized down to what we see every week. Titles are for aesthetic purposes now and it's not right. Punk is absolutely right.

As for John Cena, I'm just sick of death of the guy. I wish he would give us a break and take a damn vacation. Of course, with my luck, he'd probably look me up in Helsinki and invoke the sauna law. :|

Originally Posted by Karmafan

Anyone else think UT/Lesner won't happen? IMHO UT is seriously too old for the kind of smashmouth match he would have to bring if he fights Lesner. Maybe Lesner vs. Big Show?

If Taker can't do it, what makes you think Big Show can? Big Show isn't a legitimate wrestler and hasn't been since he went by the name The Giant. There is no chance that this would be a good match. Lesnar would merely have to fake the impact of a lot of slow punches to try to keep Big Show over, and that would be it. At least Taker could put on a better show. I'd love to see Taker vs. Lesnar, but I don't see it happening. I don't think Taker has another decent match left in him.

[Karmafan]

I can agree with most everything you said. Jericho fucked up trying to do too many things at once (wresting and music) and isn't really effective at either one. Ziggler does need to cut Vicki loose and let her manage a new guy. He can stand on his own now and cut good promos.

There really isn't anyone in the company on Lesnar's level right now. UT is too old and the only really big men left in the company that might even possible be good to go with him is Show or Henry and both are really not gonna be good matches.

Lesnar vs. Punk would not be believable and the WWE just doesn't have anyone else left on the roster to make a decent money match with him except for Sheamus or HHH and Cena and we have already seen them. So maybe its time they just let Lesnar go. Where I disagree with you is on Heyman. The guy shows up and right away is the most hated guy on the show. Too much Heyman might not be a good thing either but I'm fine with what he has been doing in Brock's corner.

[lonewolfz28]

I'd rather see Kane go up against Lesnar than The Undertaker or Mark Henry. At least Kane can still move decently.

I know there's a huge size difference, but Lesnar vs. Daniel Bryan could be interesting if they played it right. Bryan is always bragging about what a great submission wrestler he is. That was one of Lesnar's weak spots in the UFC. He tapped out to a knee bar by Frank Mir. That's an angle they could use along with Bryan's speed to make it interesting.

Too bad Kurt Angle is in TNA and Batista is doing MMA. Those would be some good matches for him.

I forgot about Wade Barrett and Ezekiel Jackson still being on the roster. They've been hyping Barrett up as brawler. He's got the size to go toe to toe with Lesnar and make it believable.

Too bad they've all but buried Big Zeke. He's a big bruiser that can move well enough to have made it interesting against Lesnar. Building him back up would take too long now. Lesnar will have made enough money and bailed again by the time they made Zeke credible again.

CarlJ1, that is a perfect way to introduce the new title. Break the current one and win. So easy. I'm annoyed that I didn't think of that.

I guarandamntee that Undertaker is wrestling Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania 29. I have insider information( my brain ) and I'm certain it is going to happen. It's cool, you can come back and say I was right when it happens.

[SaintsDecay]

Yeah, I forgot about all of those Wade Barrett reels. I'm not sure that he has the ability to go one on one with Lesnar, but perhaps he's had a little training during his hiatus. I've always liked him though. He has a certain charisma to him, although it was unevolved in his previous stint. He could be great with a little direction, and while he will probably just be in the upper-midcard after his return, he could climb the latter if pitted against the right people.

I also have to say that I like the gimmick on why he left. If I remember correctly, he said that he lost sight of the chaos that should burn in the heart of a warrior and had to bury himself in the darkness once again. That's cool. He can really do something with that.

eagleeagle: You're on. If I lose, I'll give you all the crumpets in Finland, all three of them. If you lose, I'll make you a sig featuring the worst of the worst, all the motherfuckers you can't stand, and you have to carry it for six months. Deal, or are you too afraid to up the ante?

[>ThreeG<]

Originally Posted by Alan Kellerman

CarlJ1, that is a perfect way to introduce the new title. Break the current one and win. So easy. I'm annoyed that I didn't think of that.

I guarandamntee that Undertaker is wrestling Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania 29. I have insider information( my brain ) and I'm certain it is going to happen. It's cool, you can come back and say I was right when it happens.

Then Undertaker is losing his streak, unless HHH helps UT out.

I didn't see your post earlier, lonewolfz

Ezeqiel Jackson is a poor mans Ahmed Johnson. I'm comparing them because they were both intercontinental champions. You could rarely make out what Johnson was saying, but at least he had some 'personality'. Ryback has more to him. Talking about Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar, what about the dream match? Brock Lesnar vs Ryback.

Wade Barrett could be a good opponent.I think Barrett is great. I'm still waiting to find out what the bigger picture is.

Saints, I'm not quite as confident as I was this year when I said Cena would beat The Rock.

Right now my brain is not receiving anything that isn't with The Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania. I haven't heard that The Undertaker wont wrestle, so that makes me think he will. Then I think of potential opponents. Who is there? I guess you could say Sheamus? A loss wouldn't really harm him, The Miz (yeah right ) CM punk? If he ends up losing the WWE title before Wrestlemania, he could go after The Undertaker.

Really that is me just naming names to make you think you have a chance.

Those crumpets shall be mine.

[SaintsDecay]

Then it's on.

Lesnar won't make it to Wrestlemania. He won't even make it to November by my calculation. He's already got one foot out the door. Really, where could he go from here? He beat Hunter, so that's it. Who else could he legitimately face? One thing he could do is put a younger guy over, but we know he isn't going to do that. He's a novelty sellout-- that's all.

I think Taker is done. I'd like to see one more match, but I'm doubtful that it will happen. He has his clean 20-0, and I think that's time to go. He doesn't have another five years left-- that's for sure. If he did go for an uneven number, though, there are a lot of people he could fight. At this year's Mania, I named Ziggler. That could still happen. Punk is the most logical choice right now, and I for one would love to see it. Orton is another possibility. I believe he's fought Cena before, but that could also happen.

I may speak as an idealist, brother, but I've got enough realism on my side this time. And this isn't the first time you've lost one of these bets. It's kind of funny how you stopped being so certain after you thought of the Hornswoggle/Heath Slater sig. I can do much worse.

By the way, if Lesnar leaves the company at any point with no promise of coming back, you automatically lose. Man, you're going to wear this sig so hard. Times New Roman. Shit, it's going to be covered in it.

[>ThreeG<]

I only thought that he would attack Cena at NOC is cos Lesnar did the salute thing before he left the ring, maybe a sign.

[Absent Friend]

Originally Posted by CarlJ1

I see Punk doing something desperate to win maybe he'll break the title by hitting Cena with it to win the match then that way they can bring the new title in or on raw the next night he can destroy it disrespectfully and bring it in that way.

Yeah Punk is slowly but, surely approaching heel status but, I haven't really see anything that made the fans turn on him or him turn on the fans yeah I hear some boos here and there and I know the King is supposed to be for the WWE universe but, it's been a long time coming for the King to get knock the hell out. I think the fans are in shock mode then turning on Punk mode that will definitely happen at Night Of Champions against Cena.

I like that idea of Punk breaking the title. Being champion for so long, the only thing Punk's changed as far as appearance, is his shirt. A new championship would set him up better on aesthetics. After all, Cena's first title win, he introduced the spinner title. Austin won his title, got the smoking skull design. Edge brought that Rated R title. As for King, I think they are running an angle where guys on Twitter are siding with King, including Michael Cole. So it's turning to making Punk an outcast, thus more of a heel since he assaulted a respected name. Not well liked these days, but respected.

Originally Posted by SaintsDecay

Now, back to Ziggler. There is only one reason why he hasn't gotten a legitimate chance at the gold, and that reason is Vickie Guerrero. I've said it before and I'll say it again-- Ziggler cannot progress in this business with Vickie managing him. Every god damn week, I hear "Excuse Me!" over and over again. That isn't the kind of company a champion needs. Ziggler can earn respect for himself if given the chance, but even when he does, the truth of that is numbed by Vickie. Like Paulie Heyman, she's so easy to hate and that's why she's great, but it's time for her to manage someone new at the bottom of the food chain because, right now, she's holding him back. Now, I realize that Creative could give Ziggler a chance and that Vickie still being around is all their doing, but this is one of those moves (or the lack thereof) that isn't in the best interest of the product.

The US title, a championship that used to mean more than the World title, is held by fucking Santino Mariachi. Really? Is this fair? Is this just? And the tag team titles are held by, in no uncertain ways, a team that consists of a wannabe gangster and a wannabe Rastafarian. It's just racist bullshit from Creative synthesized down to what we see every week. Titles are for aesthetic purposes now and it's not right. Punk is absolutely right.

I do agree that Ziggler's at a point in his career where he doesn't need Vickie anymore. She just stood there and interrupted Jericho at certain times, as Ziggler was more of a standout in the feud than Vickie was. That little backstage segment before the Jericho match, I thought he was going to flip out and say that he himself had to win it, ignoring Vickie. I would suggest Jack Swagger for Vickie's next pet project, but that ship has sailed. Maybe she should manage a tag team, just to give more attention to the division. Maybe dance with Primetime Players. Oh never mind.

Santino Mariachi? That's hilarious, but Antonio Cesaro is the new US Champion. He won it on the SummerSlam preshow. No Youtube in Finland . Rastafarian, that's even funnier.

Originally Posted by lonewolfz28

I know there's a huge size difference, but Lesnar vs. Daniel Bryan could be interesting if they played it right. Bryan is always bragging about what a great submission wrestler he is. That was one of Lesnar's weak spots in the UFC. He tapped out to a knee bar by Frank Mir. That's an angle they could use along with Bryan's speed to make it interesting.

It's pretty easy now to turn Bryan face, and that match would be a pleasure to see.

Originally Posted by Alan Kellerman

I didn't see your post earlier, lonewolfz

Ezeqiel Jackson is a poor mans Ahmed Johnson. I'm comparing them because they were both intercontinental champions. You could rarely make out what Johnson was saying, but at least he had some 'personality'.

They both were pretty strong guys and relied on their power, but Zeke at least spoke clear English. I don't really lose sleep for Zeke's disappearance from TV, lets just say.

This might not be official, but it looks nice.