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[mrylbrdge]

i new to mma trying to follow in bits when i can but a question to the expert what do you reckon to the yahoo report of rousey vs cyborg ?

[Aurman]

Originally Posted by Pad

Aurman my good fellow - we agree on a lot of things - but I've got a bone to pick with you. Albeit you've seen a lot more womens MMA than I have - but there's no question Meish Tate is right up there at the top of the Womens Bantamweight division. Sure - Ronda may have tossed her around - but Meisha did a lot more than just take her out of the 1st round - she took her into the third round - nobody else has been able to do that. In doing so she showed excellent deffensive skills, and gave Ronda more than a couple of things to think about along the way. Come on man - give some credit where it's due.

Can't go with you on that one brother. Miesha Tate is good, she's strong, she's tough, tough as nails but she is not a cut above the rest of those top ten ladies, at best, she's in the mix.

You say she lasted to round 3, yes, and that is literally all she did, she survived the armbar (you know, until she didn't), she landed a few strikes, very few though, the fight stats on that one were brutal, and she had top position off a takedown/scramble for a matter of seconds before Ronda tied her up in a reverse triangle and punished her with body shots. Miesha's only accomplishment in that fight was to survive, sadly that seemed to be the gameplan her and her team came up with, get out of the 1st and Ronda will fade...nope.

You want to give credit, give it to Liz Carmouche, she almost sunk in that rear-naked and when she couldn't, she went with the face crank. Carmouche cranked Ronda's face so hard, she dislocated her jaw and left Ronda's teeth marks on her own arm, not from Ronda biting her but because that is how strong her grip/squeeze was, it displaced Ronda's mouthpiece. Ronda had to survive, showed excellent judgment in defending the submission, escaping and gaining dominant position, ultimately leading to her locking in her own signature submission, and thus, collecting another arm.

Liz Carmouche actually put Ronda in danger, something Miesha couldn't manage in all of her 10 to 12 minutes of fight time with the champ. Why couldn't Miesha do this? Because she was simply fighting with all her might to survive, that's all she could manage, and she did do it, so yes, I do give her credit for that.

Originally Posted by Pad

Most of my knowledge of the womens division comes from last years TUF series. I don't think any of the women who took part in that would have a hope of surviving even the first minute of the first round with Rousey, and they make up a large proportion of the current UFC women's bantamweight list. They would all have a very difficult time against Meisha Tate.

Agreed, most of the ladies that we saw on TUF 18 would have a hell of a time with Miesha...but Ronda is not one of those ladies, neither are those I mentioned; Zingano, McMann, Carmouche, Kaufmann, and whoever else I said. I mean look at what Zingano did to her. Zingano, by her own admission, likes to feel out her opponent first, i.e. she likes to get hit and see what all her opponent has to offer, then she turns it on. Miesha went all out for the better part of 2 rounds and couldn't finish, once Cat decided it was time...well, we saw what happened.

Miesha is good man, I grant you that, but I think she is going to have trouble hanging on to her ranking considering who all she is up against. She's either going to have to show some serious improvements or...I don't know.

[Aurman]

Originally Posted by Pad

Great news. Apparently I made a mistake. My cable providers will be showing the fight night from Macao. Whoopeee!!!!

Dong Hyun Kim v. John Hathaway is the fight I'm most interested in. Kim has been on a bit of a roll of late - most recently his spectacular KO of Eric Silva. That John Hathaway is a very good fighter is in no doubt with a KO over Diego Sanchez, but he hasn't fought in 18 months. I think he has the abilities, but ring rust may be a big problem for him. At the moment I've got to consider Kim as favorite.

Hatsu Hioki V. Ivan Menjivar. Both fighters have lost several fights recently so it's hard to tell, but Hioki seem to have had a slightly more difficult time getting wins - so I'm going with Menjivar.

Matt Mitrione v. Shawn Jordan. Another difficult fight to call. Again neither has had a spectacular recent record. The only thing I predict is a KO for one or the other.

Cool, glad to hear it.

I think I'm going with your picks again, although I don't really remember too much from Hathaway, must've missed the Sanchez fight,smh. Ring rust
is certainly something you do not want against Kim.

Ivan Menjivar is a beast, I think he dropped his last fight to Uriah Faber, no shame in that, so I'd go with him too.

Your on the money with Jordan/Mitrione, someone is getting knocked the f#*k out!

I'll have to take a look at the rest of the card, see if there are any other picks to be made.

[Aurman]

Originally Posted by mrylbrdge

i new to mma trying to follow in bits when i can but a question to the expert what do you reckon to the yahoo report of rousey vs cyborg ?

Welcome, to the sport and to the thread. I don't know if your referring to myself, Pad or someone else, but, speaking for myself, I'm far from an expert.
I can say what I heard about that matchup though. Due to Tito Ortiz, Cyborg's former manager, saying in a press conference, that Cristiane's doctors stated she would die if she cut to 135lbs, Dana White said she would have to cut to 135lbs first, have a few fights, make sure the cut is safe for her, then he would look to bringing her into the UFC....that's all I got

[Pad]

Originally Posted by mrylbrdge

i new to mma trying to follow in bits when i can but a question to the expert what do you reckon to the yahoo report of rousey vs cyborg ?

Originally Posted by Aurman

Welcome, to the sport and to the thread. I don't know if your referring to myself, Pad or someone else, but, speaking for myself, I'm far from an expert.
I can say what I heard about that matchup though. Due to Tito Ortiz, Cyborg's former manager, saying in a press conference, that Cristiane's doctors stated she would die if she cut to 135lbs, Dana White said she would have to cut to 135lbs first, have a few fights, make sure the cut is safe for her, then he would look to bringing her into the UFC....that's all I got

Same as Aurman - I'm not an expert - just an enthusiast with opinions which we all like to share. So feel free to join in.

I saw Dana White interviewed on Beyond The Octagon last night. He said the Rousey v. Cyborg fight was "...not gonna happen..." unless there are some drastic changes in the Cyborg camp. He was pretty uncomplimentary about her mentioning amongst other things that she was just coming off a drugs ban, and that her manager is Tito Ortiz. Dana don't like Tito that much and I don't think he wants him or his fighters anywhere near the UFC.

[Aurman]

Originally Posted by Pad

Same as Aurman - I'm not an expert - just an enthusiast with opinions which we all like to share. So feel free to join in.

I saw Dana White interviewed on Beyond The Octagon last night. He said the Rousey v. Cyborg was fight "...not gonna happen..." unless there are some drastic changes in the Cyborg camp. He was pretty uncomplimentary about her mentioning amongst other things that she was just coming off a drugs ban, and that her manager is Tito Ortiz. Dana don't like Tito that much and I don't think he want him or his fighters anywhere near the UFC.

Dana pretty much despises Tito and his dislike for him seems to carry over to Cyborg. Still, if she wants it and does what's asked of her, Dana likely wouldn't shy away from putting together a fan-dream matchup like that.

[Aurman]

Remembered some honorable mentions from UFC 170.

Erik Koch vs Rafaello Olivieira: Koch pretty much re-debued at lightweight, I think his first fight, or first few fights were there before he moved down to feather. He looked good, good hands and some knockout power to boot. Want to see what else he can do in this division


Zach Makovsky vs Josh Sampo: Makovsky is a beast, solid striking, excellent wrestling, his single leg must give guys nightmares 'cause he seems to be able to hit it at will. Him and Sampo are effectively the same fighter, on paper anyway, same skill set but Makovsky was just better in every area.


Oh and the fight from TUF Nations:Australia vs Canada episode 6,
Sheldon Westcott vs Dan Kelly:...Ho. Lee. SH*T!!!! Westcott is a f*#king monster! On an injured knee he ran through a veteran, olympic caliber athlete, I mean hot knife thru butter kind of ran through, and I do beleive that was the best head and arm choke I have seen, save maybe for the one Barao slapped on to Michael McDonald...nah this one was better

Ultimate fighter nations Australia vs Canada episode 7
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http://dfiles.eu/files/yd76o6wz9


Belfort out, Machida in

With today's ruling by the Nevada State Athletic Commission to ban testosterone replacement therapy, Vitor Belfort has pulled out of his middleweight title fight scheduled with Chris Weidman.

Belfort stated that he would eliminate use of testosterone replacement therapy based on the new rules, but was not applying for a license in Nevada.

Lyoto Machida, coming off his win over Gegard Mousasi on 2/15, has accepted the fight against Weidman.

Belfort released a statement saying:

"The Nevada State Athletic Commission recently altered its policy and no longer will permit testosterone use exemptions,and will not permit a TRT program. As other jurisdictions may follow suit, I am going to drop my TRT program and compete in MMA without it. Given the time constraints involved between now and my proposed next bout in May, I have determined not to apply for a license to fight in Nevada at this time."

[Dr. Blowjob]

Great win for the Stun Gun!

Quickly turning into a finisher and getting right back on track.

I would like to see Macdonald/Kim and the winner faces the victor of Saffiedine/Ellenberger.

[Pad]

Hatsu Hiokie v. Ivan Menjivar. Got this one wrong . Really nice to see strong agressive jiu-jitsu and grappling. Menjivar was a little disappointing, though he did start to pull it together in the third and displayed some good defensive skills on the ground in the previous rounds.

Matt Mitrione v. Shawn Jordan. Wow - slugarama!!! Looks like Mitrione is back to his old self - it will be interesting to see if he can keep that kind of form up.

Wang Sai v. Shang Lipeng. I really enjoyed this fight. Again I love to see highly attack oriented grappling and jiu jitsu. Having said that, I really think the fighters excitement got the better of both guys. While they went after their ground attacks with great enthusiasm they both seemed a little bit green when it came to finishing. Personally I had it down as a two round victory to Wang Sai, but the judges decided otherwise.

Dong Hyun Kim v. John Hathaway. Wow again!!! What a fight. I think Kim should change his nick from "Stun Gun" to "Freight Train" - that guy just doesn't stop coming. He is an absolute lunatic and has a chin of solid granite to boot. Hathaway caught him with a peach of an upper cut at one point, and he barely blinked. Awesome KO to finish. At the same time I was highly impressed with Hathaway. Considering that was his first fight in 18 months he was coping really well. Great recovery in the first when he nearly got KOed, and was at least on equal terms in the second up until he got caught with the elbow. Can't wait to seem them both fight again.

Roll on Fight Night from London on Saturday. I'm finding it hard to make predictions of any kind. At this stage I know at least one fighter in each bout - but don't know enough about their opponents.

The only prediction I'll make is for the main event. I think Gustaffson will beat Jimi Manuwa. I had Gustaffson down as the winner in his fight with "Bones" Jones so I think he's the guy to beat. However - Manuwa is no push over and Gustaffson will have his work cut out.