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Old 4th August 2017, 05:08   #21
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Those tiny shorts used to be all the rage!
That's not limited to a single sport.



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I was joking before
Oh, I was joking too. Soccer is an extremely manly sport. Boring as all hell but very manly.
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Oh, I was joking too. Soccer is an extremely manly sport. Boring as all hell but very manly.
Watch out, or someone is going to slide feet first into you and call it a "tackle"!



Wearing nut-cutter shorts like those hurt worse than most actions in soccer (this conversation is why those of us living in the States are considered arrogant and condescending ).
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Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at Wrigley Field in Chicago
Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Florida 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 0 8 9 0
Chicago 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 3 10 2
WP: Chad Fox (1–0) LP: Mark Prior (1–1)

With thousands of fans on the street outside sold-out Wrigley Field, poised to celebrate, the Cubs held a 3–0 lead going into the top of the eighth inning of Game 6. After Mike Mordecai hit a high pop fly to left field, the team was a mere five outs away from their first World Series since 1945.

Prior had retired the last eight hitters and had allowed only three hits up to that point. Center fielder Juan Pierre (who was later traded to the Cubs) then hit a double off Prior.

On the eighth pitch of his at bat, Luis Castillo hit a high foul ball toward the left field wall. Cubs left fielder Moisés Alou (a former Marlin) headed toward the stands to catch the ball for the potential second out. As Alou reached for the ball, Cubs fan Steve Bartman, along with others near the area, did the same. The ball bounced off Bartman's hands and into the stands. Though the Cubs pleaded for a call of fan interference, left field umpire Mike Everitt ruled that the ball had left the field of play and was therefore up for grabs. Alou, who was visibly angry at Bartman's catch, initially acknowledged that he would not have made the catch, but he later denied making such a statement and said if he had, it was only to make Bartman feel better.

As a result, Castillo remained an active batter at home plate. On the next pitch, Prior walked Castillo with a wild pitch that got away from catcher Paul Bako, also allowing Pierre to advance to third base.

Next, Iván Rodríguez hit an 0–2 pitch hard into left field, singling and scoring Pierre. Miguel Cabrera then hit a ground ball toward Cubs shortstop Alex S. Gonzalez that could have ended the inning on a double play. Gonzalez, who led all NL shortstops in fielding percentage, closed his glove too early and the ball landed in the dirt, allowing Cabrera to reach safely, loading the bases. On the next pitch, Derrek Lee (a future Cubs All-Star) drilled a double into left field, scoring Castillo and Rodríguez to tie the score at 3–3.

Prior was taken out of the game and replaced by Kyle Farnsworth, who intentionally walked Mike Lowell to load the bases. Jeff Conine then hit a sacrifice fly to right field for the second out of the inning, allowing Cabrera to score from third and the other runners to each advance one base. This gave the Marlins their first lead of the night. Farnsworth intentionally walked Todd Hollandsworth (another future Cub) to once again load the bases.

The Marlins now having batted around the order, Mordecai, making up for his earlier out, hit a base-clearing double to left-center field, scoring Lee, Lowell and Hollandsworth and making it a 7–3 Marlins lead.

Farnsworth was taken out of the game and replaced by Mike Remlinger, who gave up a single to Pierre to score Mordecai from second base. Castillo popped to shallow right field for the final out of an 8-run inning. The comeback victory by the Marlins forced a final Game 7.
They obviously fucked it up for themselves. When the fan interferred, they were still winning. Am I missing something?
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They obviously fucked it up for themselves. When the fan interferred, they were still winning. Am I missing something?
The only thing you are missing is a technicality. The fan, Bartman, didn't do anything 20 other people around him did, and anyone of us would have done ourselves. He didn't interfere, at least in terms of actual MLB rules. He was just the scapegoat for yet another collapse. Since it was the Chicago Cubs, the incident was deemed another "curse" when it was a routine occurrence, and, as you said, the team had a decent lead at the time. Should have just been another foul ball and everything that came after is what was the reason for losing.

Sure, as a fan, it would have been great to have Alou make the catch while reaching into the stands. But it didn't happen.


As another aside... Bartman is a name that is big on one of the sides of my family. No relation to the subject of this thread, but even they were getting crap. Nothing like Steve and his family did, but still another sign of rabid fans taking shit too far.
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Baseball is so complicated and boring.

You can sit through 9 or even 12 innings and nothing will happen.
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Baseball is so complicated and boring.

You can sit through 9 or even 12 innings and nothing will happen.
Some can say that for soccer too where it might go an entire match and hardly anyone scores- and yet, it's one of the world's most popular games.

It's all a matter of perspective.
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Sure, as a fan, it would have been great to have Alou make the catch while reaching into the stands. But it didn't happen.
I think Alou's reaction to the supposed fan interference from Bartman didn't help matters any. If anything, I think that the rest of the rabid fans were 110% sure it was a lot worse. I'm sure some thought at the moment that Bartman did that deliberately. So I blame Moises Alou's lack of awareness as to the edge of the seats didn't help.

After seeing what Austin Jackson did just earlier this week where he caught the ball and tumbled headlong into the opposing team's bullpen makes my point of just how much was Alou willing to go into the stands to get that ball. Or did he suddenly feel the dirt underneath his feet, caught a glimpse of the stands and wimp out a little bit?
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No, not really when googling for a pic...it was either this one or one with Manute Bol and I just couldn't inflict that on other people.
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