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Vile · 7th November 2016, 09:11

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Originally Posted by Love Buzz

Were they wearing outfits left over from WrestleMania IX? lol

Jokes aside, that's cool that they are technically part of the first Women's cell match / main eventing a PPV history.

Yeah, the outfits were pretty silly!

I know it was a big deal for them. To be fair, I don't see much hope of them getting to WWE on the regular roster just due to size alone (all of them are 5'9 or under and one only weighs like 150) but it happened to James Ellsworth so you never know!

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Originally Posted by cchriswake

Jesus, even she went through that power plant? That place was as toxic an environment and would make anyone hate wrestling, performing or watching.

A buddy of mine's father is a local wrestler (now promoter and event fixer) who got accepted and got a year contract for WCW back in 97. The fucking horror stories he would tell of guys being forced to run and work out like some fucking marine corp and the insane amount of physical abuse that went on there was enough to properly put me off watching wrestling for a while. Thank fuck that shit doesn't go on nowadays, other than Bill DeMott who rightfully got shitcanned. Shit like that doesn't belong in wrestling. You're supposed to take care of each other in the ring, not force the other guy to vomit or anything like that.

In those days, and especially even before that, the old school guys were trying to make sure the new guys really wanted it, and that they were tough and deserved to be part of the wrestling business. I do understand why they were put through that because you have to be in extremely good shape to work a wrestling match. So the extreme cardio is necessary. As far as physical abuse, that's uncalled for but again they were looking for tough guys.

pennwow · 11th November 2016, 04:16

James Ellsworth is the GOAT.

Rick Sanchez · 21st November 2016, 04:34

And the worst match of 2016 goes to Lesnar vs Goldberg II. That match made Cole vs Lawler from WrestleMania XXVII look good.

talltrekkie · 21st November 2016, 04:34

How the fuck does a match I didn't want to see and had zero expectations for manage to be even stupider than I could possibly imagine?

Booster Gold · 21st November 2016, 05:01

The shock factor was a bit much but I didn't mind that at all.
These are usually my favorite kind of matches. Not the typical spot monkey match.
I don't think anyone predicted a squash win though

Rick Sanchez · 21st November 2016, 08:11

WWE had the perfect opportunity to use Lesnar to make someone like Shinsuke Nakamura or Samoa Joe the biggest name in the company. Instead, an old guy got a pity win and nothing comes as a result. Undertaker now looks like a joke for having lost the streak to Lesnar, and seemingly a guy who's constantly been shit on for being a bad worker, and retired because he couldn't get his own way 12 years ago, is now some superhuman squash machine.

And WWE wonders why the ratings are a fraction of what they used to be. McMahon is pulling the same shit he condemned WCW for!

barryck · 21st November 2016, 19:50

I have zero enthusiasm for the WWE as it is today, but I just watched Lesnar - Goldberg II out of curiosity because as a child I loved Goldberg in WCW. WWE seems to be in a bad state when they have to dig up Goldberg to promote the videogame and create excitement for a PPV. For the match itself I had no expectations at all, because the character Goldberg only worked in short matches he dominated and Lesnar himself was - at least as far as I know - build up the same in his second stint in WWE. And since I do not care about Lesnar, I actually liked the outcome, because it won't change the way I think about WWE. Fully understand why real fans might not like the match and continued rivalry, though.
From the video I saw, the crowd reaction to Goldberg's entrance was great and I was actually happy to see that.
And to me, there is no sequence as exciting as the Spear-Jackhammer combination.

Lonewolf · 21st November 2016, 21:04

I'm less concerned about who won or ost last night, than an issue which no one has really reported... per UK betting lines, every betting line underdog won last night. All of them. And keep in mind these betting lines are for matches whose results are predetermined, or can otherwise be at least manipulated.

That brings up two questions:

1. Is the WWE purposely booking based upon "swerving" the betting lines? If so, it might explain why some of these storylines suck, since this kind of booking would essentially be a "completion backwards" principle.
2. Seeing as how every underdog won last night, and an inordinate number of longshots have won in previous PPVs, woudn't this serve up "insider betting" on a silver platter? Could the WWE be complicit in an illegal scheme? Think about it...

barryck · 21st November 2016, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I'm less concerned about who won or ost last night, than an issue which no one has really reported... per UK betting lines, every betting line underdog won last night. All of them. And keep in mind these betting lines are for matches whose results are predetermined, or can otherwise be at least manipulated.

That brings up two questions:

1. Is the WWE purposely booking based upon "swerving" the betting lines? If so, it might explain why some of these storylines suck, since this kind of booking would essentially be a "completion backwards" principle.
2. Seeing as how every underdog won last night, and an inordinate number of longshots have won in previous PPVs, woudn't this serve up "insider betting" on a silver platter? Could the WWE be complicit in an illegal scheme? Think about it...

Betting on a result someone else (as in: a very distinct group of people, maybe even only one or two) rightfully and per definition has complete creative control about makes absolutely no sense and whoever does this deserves to lose every penny. That's like betting against JRR Tolkien on how the Lord of the Rings would end while JRR was writing the books.

Se7en69 · 21st November 2016, 22:38

These were the odds I saw last night courtesy of Wrestlezone. They say these were the lines posted at 5dimes. Don't know how much they changed before showtime.

Brock Lesnar -400 vs. Goldberg +280

5-on-5 Men’s Elimination Match
Team Smackdown -260 vs. Team Raw +180

5-on-5 Women’s Elimination Match
Team Raw -185 vs. Team Smackdown +145

10-on-10 Tag Team Elimination Match
Team Raw -270 vs. Team Smackdown +190

WWE Cruiserweight Championship
Kalisto -560 vs. Brian Kendrick +370

WWE Intercontinental Championship
Sami Zayn -315 vs. The Miz +240

Who wouldn't have wanted to get in on that Kendrick and Goldberg lines, eh?

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Rick Sanchez Registered User Clinically Insane Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Earth C-137 Posts: 2,136 Thanks: 4,342 Thanked 6,454 Times in 1,611 Posts	WWE had the perfect opportunity to use Lesnar to make someone like Shinsuke Nakamura or Samoa Joe the biggest name in the company. Instead, an old guy got a pity win and nothing comes as a result. Undertaker now looks like a joke for having lost the streak to Lesnar, and seemingly a guy who's constantly been shit on for being a bad worker, and retired because he couldn't get his own way 12 years ago, is now some superhuman squash machine. And WWE wonders why the ratings are a fraction of what they used to be. McMahon is pulling the same shit he condemned WCW for! __________________ "Weddings are basically funerals with cake." July 17, 1975 - September 1, 2021. Dark Humor Enthusiast

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Lonewolf Martha!!! Postaholic Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,218 Thanks: 4,505 Thanked 27,160 Times in 5,732 Posts	I'm less concerned about who won or ost last night, than an issue which no one has really reported... per UK betting lines, every betting line underdog won last night. All of them. And keep in mind these betting lines are for matches whose results are predetermined, or can otherwise be at least manipulated. That brings up two questions: 1. Is the WWE purposely booking based upon "swerving" the betting lines? If so, it might explain why some of these storylines suck, since this kind of booking would essentially be a "completion backwards" principle. 2. Seeing as how every underdog won last night, and an inordinate number of longshots have won in previous PPVs, woudn't this serve up "insider betting" on a silver platter? Could the WWE be complicit in an illegal scheme? Think about it... __________________ (signature expertly crafted by cylnz)

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Se7en69 Registered User Novice Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 55 Thanks: 333 Thanked 35 Times in 17 Posts	These were the odds I saw last night courtesy of Wrestlezone. They say these were the lines posted at 5dimes. Don't know how much they changed before showtime. Brock Lesnar -400 vs. Goldberg +280 5-on-5 Men’s Elimination Match Team Smackdown -260 vs. Team Raw +180 5-on-5 Women’s Elimination Match Team Raw -185 vs. Team Smackdown +145 10-on-10 Tag Team Elimination Match Team Raw -270 vs. Team Smackdown +190 WWE Cruiserweight Championship Kalisto -560 vs. Brian Kendrick +370 WWE Intercontinental Championship Sami Zayn -315 vs. The Miz +240 Who wouldn't have wanted to get in on that Kendrick and Goldberg lines, eh? Last edited by Se7en69; 21st November 2016 at 22:38.

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pennwow Registered User Addicted Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Badstreet USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 3,046 Thanked 222 Times in 83 Posts	James Ellsworth is the GOAT.

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talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 749 Thanks: 1,529 Thanked 806 Times in 341 Posts	How the fuck does a match I didn't want to see and had zero expectations for manage to be even stupider than I could possibly imagine?

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barryck Registered User Addicted Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 220 Thanks: 651 Thanked 462 Times in 174 Posts	I have zero enthusiasm for the WWE as it is today, but I just watched Lesnar - Goldberg II out of curiosity because as a child I loved Goldberg in WCW. WWE seems to be in a bad state when they have to dig up Goldberg to promote the videogame and create excitement for a PPV. For the match itself I had no expectations at all, because the character Goldberg only worked in short matches he dominated and Lesnar himself was - at least as far as I know - build up the same in his second stint in WWE. And since I do not care about Lesnar, I actually liked the outcome, because it won't change the way I think about WWE. Fully understand why real fans might not like the match and continued rivalry, though. From the video I saw, the crowd reaction to Goldberg's entrance was great and I was actually happy to see that. And to me, there is no sequence as exciting as the Spear-Jackhammer combination.