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[Grandmaster_J]

So there you have it guys.. like I said I spent a lot of time on this and I hope I did a good job going step by step and into much detail as possible. Not because I want anyone to agree with me but because I took offense to being told I'm just hating just to hate. No I really hate John Cena (Not as a person) but his character and everything he does in the ring. I challenge anyone to read this and go back and watch the match again, come back and tell me where I was wrong. Tell me why you thought it was a great match if you disagree, give me detailed reasons, don't simplify it by saying stuff like it takes two to put on match. No, it's Cena's opponents and the kick outs is what is making these matches like this. Cena's matches have no phycology to them, or story being told, it's just the same thing week in and week out.

[Love Buzz]

I started making this before your post surge about the match...

Well I guess you're kinda right but Cena doesn't work Smackdown or any of the other shows so guys have plenty of time to shine on there and have a stand out match and they rarely do. Whose fault is that? Sure it's not as big a viewer stage but Raw gets more viewers because it's live. You could put on live rolling down a grassy hill and a lot of people would watch it. The last great stand out match I remember that didn't involve Cena on Raw was Ambrose vs. Rollins in that street fight was it? Some sort of no dq stip. I could be over looking and forgetting others but that is the one that stands out.

WWE are milking Cena for all his worth until he can't go no more. Every important casual viewer who tunes into Raw probably wants to see Cena. They refuse to build new talent because I think Vince has trust issues and a perfectionism complex. You have to meet a certain criteria or you're just gonna be mid-card fodder, happy with your money. Once in a while someone like Bryan gets over through sheer support and some luck but they pushed and pushed to stop that because he wasn't perfect. Punk was another one and they crushed his spirit. There are no brass rings.

Edit:
I just remembered about Cesaro and Cena that pissed me off that you didn't mention... Sure there were botches etc but the finish Cesaro was on the offense in the corner and then Cena gingerly puts him on his shoulders and pauses a bit before hitting the AA. Cesaro was on offense, why didn't he elbow Cena and try to get out of the predicament? It's not like he was groggy or anything, he was on the offense.



Unrelated Edit:

I'm putting this out there because it's a very good recent match from Japan.

$akur@ba vs. Sh!b@ta, skip to 18 minutes.

http://anonym.to/?http://rutube.ru/v...6341e0e89c7a0/

[Karmafan]

Re this weeks TE:

I don't get voting on shows sometimes. I like Sara Lee but she was terrible this week (as was ZZ) and yet instead of one of those two going home someone else did instead.

[Lonewolf]

FWIW, here's a set of WWE Announcer notes, circa 2008... interesting read.

[Mordecay]

Originally Posted by Love Buzz

Unrelated Edit:

I'm putting this out there because it's a very good recent match from Japan.

$akur@ba vs. Sh!b@ta, skip to 18 minutes.

http://anonym.to/?http://rutube.ru/v...6341e0e89c7a0/

You should put all NJPW Dominion, it wasn't as good as Wrestle Kingdom, but it's right up there. Okada-Styles was my favourite and the finishing sequence was sick.

Originally Posted by Karmafan

Re this weeks TE:

I don't get voting on shows sometimes. I like Sara Lee but she was terrible this week (as was ZZ) and yet instead of one of those two going home someone else did instead.

It is a popularity contest and ZZ and Sara are arguably two of the most popular. ZZ is the funny fat guy and Sara is the cute, shy girl who, apparently Paige has something against. BTW I don't like Paige there, she trying to be the Simon Cowell, just doesn't work.

[Karmafan]

Its weird for a girl whos a rookie herself trying to tell the TE kids what to do. As was stated already Natalya should have been the judge instead of Paige.

[Love Buzz]

The girl I wanted to leave went and the added bonus of quitter Dianna. I knew she was talking shit last week about wanting to win. I hate the show layout. I was cringing at them having to do a live rendition of there given gimmick, it was painful stuff.

Jericho feels so pointless. He does what Renee could very easily do. The excessive hand clapping is ridiculous especially the part when they go through each participant then go to break and come back and they are still clapping.

The best part of the show is Daniel Bryan's reaction to the footage he is watching as he doesn't own or watch TV at all but he has to watch this shit. His laugh and mockery of that fight saying it's the worst fight he has ever seen was great.

I can't wait for Battleground feat. (as of this moment):

• King Barrett goes 1-on-1 with R-Truth in a "Battle For The Crown" on the Battleground Kickoff

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Main Card:

• Seth Rollins of The Authority defending his World Heavyweight Championship against a 4-time champion & the previous titleholder, Brock Lesnar

• John Cena defending his United States Championship against Kevin Owens

• The Prime Time Players (Darren Young/Titus O'Neil) defending their Tag Team Championship against The New Day

• Randy Orton goes 1-on-1 with Mr. Money In The Bank Sheamus

• Roman Reigns goes 1-on-1 with Bray Wyatt

• NXT Women's Champion Sasha Banks of Team B.A.D. takes on Brie Bella of The Bella Twins/The Bella Army & Charlotte in a Non-Title Triple Threat Match

In a return match from The Beast From The East, Finn Bálor will defend his NXT Championship against the previous titleholder, Kevin Owens

[Grandmaster_J]

Originally Posted by Love Buzz

WWE are milking Cena for all his worth until he can't go no more. Every important casual viewer who tunes into Raw probably wants to see Cena. They refuse to build new talent because I think Vince has trust issues and a perfectionism complex.

Well I'll never do that again seeing how no one gave a shit.. I spent hours on that and wanted feedback but guess not. It was all cause I don't want anyone telling me I'm hating just to hate.. no I'm watching the match just like everyone else. I think my eyes work fine to see what goes on in that ring.

It's a scary thought but I truly believe with fans buying into these matches from Cena, Vince is gonna green light that as to put him back in the main event soon. Once he's done with Owens i don't know who his next victim will be...