Elon Musk needs to be stopped.

[emale]

Originally Posted by mental

What matters to me is things that were done by him, or his employees/companies, and new things still to come were and are needed and can make things better for a lot of people.
Those things take money, tons & tons of money, at least we should be able to agree he's good for that and the world can benefit from what his money can accomplish.

And what were/are those things?

[GCXXXX]

Originally Posted by mental

I don't really care if he's likeable or not or if he invented anything or not, lot's of inventors thru history were arrogant & were credited with inventions that they had little or nothing to do with, someone working with them or for them did most or all of the actual work.

What matters to me is things that were done by him, or his employees/companies, and new things still to come were and are needed and can make things better for a lot of people.
Those things take money, tons & tons of money, at least we should be able to agree he's good for that and the world can benefit from what his money can accomplish.

I don't care who gets things done, just that they get done.

I believe it used to be the case Musk did things that benefit the world. I think he played a big role in pushing electric cars, and pushing reusable rockets with SpaceX. However, I think Musk has now become too powerful and power hungry. I don't think anything he's done during the last five years has really benefited anybody except his own pockets.

[Panopsis]

Just imagine people sitting around grousing about Einstein after he became famous: "This Einstein guy, he's only a patent clerk, not even a real physicist -- couldn't even get a professorship at a university. He's not smart at all, didn't learn to talk until he was four years old, got bad grades in school. No one even claims to understand what he wrote except a handful of poindexters . . . utter gibberish. Not to mention I've heard he's planning on marrying his cousin. Can't even comb his hair properly, let alone write a good physics paper."

Envy is such a nasty thing, it can blind even the most perceptive people. If those who are so critical of Musk even spent a bit of time actually researching him, most would pretty quickly revise their opinions.

Originally Posted by Panopsis

Just imagine people sitting around grousing about Einstein after he became famous: "This Einstein guy, he's only a patent clerk, not even a real physicist -- couldn't even get a professorship at a university. He's not smart at all, didn't learn to talk until he was four years old, got bad grades in school. No one even claims to understand what he wrote except a handful of poindexters . . . utter gibberish. Not to mention I've heard he's planning on marrying his cousin. Can't even comb his hair properly, let alone write a good physics paper."

Envy is such a nasty thing, it can blind even the most perceptive people. If those who are so critical of Musk even spent a bit of time actually researching him, most would pretty quickly revise their opinions.

Name a single invention or discovery for which Elon Musk (not his companies) is responsible.

[Panopsis]

Originally Posted by reclaimer

Name a single invention or discovery for which Elon Musk (not his companies) is responsible.

Again, if people just took a little time to do some research, all of this information is publicly available. It doesn't really do Musk justice, and if you're genuinely interested you should dive a lot deeper, but here's a brief overview:

http://press.farm/elon-musks-patents-his-innovations/

[stagliano]

Originally Posted by Panopsis

Just imagine people sitting around grousing about Einstein after he became famous: "This Einstein guy, he's only a patent clerk, not even a real physicist -- couldn't even get a professorship at a university. He's not smart at all, didn't learn to talk until he was four years old, got bad grades in school. No one even claims to understand what he wrote except a handful of poindexters . . . utter gibberish. Not to mention I've heard he's planning on marrying his cousin. Can't even comb his hair properly, let alone write a good physics paper."

Envy is such a nasty thing, it can blind even the most perceptive people. If those who are so critical of Musk even spent a bit of time actually researching him, most would pretty quickly revise their opinions.

you don't know what you're talking about do you??. This is a guy who pays people to cheat at video games for him.
He has no patents pending unless he paid for them #1. He's barely litteraye in three languages.

He had to pay a musician prostitute to have his kids.

[Panopsis]

Originally Posted by Easymuse

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Nobody would have said any of those foolish things about Albert. The people of that time also weren't really fucking stupid, like those idolizing musk.

Einstein actually had a lot of detractors in the physics community at first . . . it wasn't until Arthur Eddington proved experimentally that the path of light is warped by gravity, as Einstein predicted, that he gained wider acceptance.

As hard as it may be to believe, people have been getting progressively smarter since Einstein's time. IQ testing only formally began in 1905, oddly enough the same year Einstein had his annus mirabilis, and since then each generation has scored somewhat higher than the last (although James Flynn, the researcher who discovered this trend, said that IQ finally started to plateau in recent years, at least in developed countries). A variety of factors like better nutrition, early education, and control of infectious disease are likely the causes.

[mental]

Originally Posted by emale

And what were/are those things?

off the top of my head...
advancements in battery technology
advancements in electric car technology
advancements in self driving technology
advancements in aerospace technology
advancements in A.I. technology
advancements in solar energy technology
advancements in neurotechnology
advancements in Medical equipment
advancements in robotics
world wide satellite internet
self sufficient solar powered homes
Most likely advancements in military technology we will never know about
and more,plus who knows what else his companies are working on we don't even know about.

Currently we use spaceX rockets to get to the ISS, without them we would have to rely on Russia and right now that is not viable, there are plans for tourist trips to space in the near future, and it probably will be a spacecraft built by musk, not NASA, that puts the first man on mars.

working on things like the hyperloop which will allow ground travel that is faster than a commercial jet flight

Robots like his Optimus Robot means we could have our own robot to do chores around the home or to goto work for us so we don't have to. Tesla plans to have Optimus bots working in its factories in 2025 and available to consumers in 2026.
after it's in production he said the robot would cost “less than a car,” or “probably $20,000 to $30,000.” (i'll believe that when i see it)

So hypothetically in the not to distant future our robot will goto work for us while we travel to a friends house at 800mph then go on a joy ride to space then have our self driving car take us home to our solar self powered house where our A.I. intelligent life-like robot has dinner cooked and waiting for us, then after dinner control our home using just our mind and our neuro implants, turn on the tv & watch the first astronauts walking on mars.

I can't think of another person that has come so close to making the sci-fi utopian dream a possibility.
That is if his money holds out and his A.I. & robotics work does not doom us (most tests on A.I. i have seen shows A.I. is even more evil than we are and have no respect for human life, put that in his super powered robots and were headed down the terminator path)

I will probably live to see some of these things become normal everyday life, Some i will not, I'm not really that old but old enough that many common things today were impossible sci-fi fantasy when i was a kid, I am still alive today because of tech that did not exist when i was a kid, one thing i know is what seems impossible today may not be tomorrow, especially if you through enough money at it, musk= money, money & more money.

Like i said it's doubtful he will have anything to do with the actual work but the people he employs do. It takes a army of workers to do these things and it takes someone with a enormous amount of money and the willingness to spend it to get these things accomplished.
I don't care if their the nicest person in the would or the biggest asshole, i only care what they can get done.

[emale]

Like i said it's doubtful he will have anything to do with the actual work but the people he employs do.

Thanks for your response.

Those people are responsible for the advances because they did the work, not Elon. Cheerleaders like Elon, get the crowd fired up but they are not the team winning the game. Players often change teams and when they do, their talent goes with them.

[mental]

Originally Posted by emale

Like i said it's doubtful he will have anything to do with the actual work but the people he employs do.

Thanks for your response.

Those people are responsible for the advances because they did the work, not Elon. Cheerleaders like Elon, get the crowd fired up but they are not the team winning the game. Players often change teams and when they do, their talent goes with them.

well it depends on how you look at it.

musk would be the team owner since he controls & pays for everything not a cheerleader, cheerleader would just be another employee.

as far as the work it's kinda a catch-22 situation.
(an impossible situation because you cannot do one thing until you do another thing, but you cannot do the second thing until you do the first thing.)

yes his employees did the work and deserve credit for it, but they only did it because he paid them to do it and gave them a place to do it. It takes everyone to win the game.

you could think that they would just work for someone else (change teams) but chances are they couldn't and would most likely end up asking customers if they would like fries with their burger. currently companies are looking to get rid of as many employees as possible not take more on, all the super rich are already doing their own things and would not be able to take on all those massive endeavors, If musk's companies were not there simply a lot of things he's doing just would not get done or be delayed possibly by decades.

Edison got the credit for some inventions his employees actually made, musk or any company owner is not any different today.

A employer is useless without employees, employees are useless without an employer, the only thing that really gets the job done is cold hard cash.