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Old Ben · 22nd October 2020, 09:59

Procedure

Follow this process when dealing with posters who include multiple large images in a single post. Be sure to document any interactions, including all PMs sent or received, by posting them in the member's UNs. Additionally, please add the linked usernames of all posters with whom you have interacted in the list below; be sure to include the current "level" of interaction.

1. When you encounter a poster including multiple large images in a single post, send PM #1.

2. If a poster responds to PM #1 by asking why we have added these guidelines or how we can justify them in the absence of a specific rule, send PM #2 (TBD). Feel free to edit or alter PM #2 to tailor it to the poster's specific question(s).

3. If a poster continues to include multiple large images in single posts, send Warning #1 for "Ignoring Staff Instructions" (TBD). Remove all of the poster's new GP posts (made after you sent PM #1) that violate the image guidelines.

4. If a poster still continues to include multiple large images in single posts, send PM #3 (TBD). Remove all of the poster's new GP posts that violate the image guidelines, plus the poster's 20 most recent GP posts that also violate the rule.

5. If a poster still continues to include multiple large images in single posts, send PM #4 (TBD). Remove all of the poster's new GP posts that violate the image guidelines, plus the poster's 50 most recent GP posts regardless of whether they violate the guidelines.

6. If a poster still continues to include multiple large images in single posts (i.e. if they're stubborn beyond all reason), send PM #5 (TBD). Remove all of the poster's new GP posts that violate the image guidelines, and move the GP thread in which the posts were made to the Dead Section.

I haven't drafted most of these PMs yet; hopefully it won't be necessary to go past the Warning for anyone, but we will if necessary. In your discretion, you may decide to skip over step 4 or step 5 (but no both) in the case of a poster who responds abusively or makes it clear that he/she has no intention of complying.

If we do have to remove one or more of a poster's threads, we can always restore them if/when the poster demonstrates a willingness to comply with the guidelines.

Old Ben · 22nd October 2020, 10:01

List of Notified Posters

10/23/20
mozookfas
marhahajcs
hytin
Vrmaster
smart-rod - agreed
SelenaBlue
eden80 - agreed
svedoz
kixx - agreed
agoes76 Edit: YC, posts removed.
4atlax

06061972
Megatoenn Edit: 5-26-21 - YC - posts removed.

(Per Rollo2)
Tihomir
Teenmushi
Torgo Pizza
mgeli
Z.E.V.S.I.K.A PM#2 (Per Vice) 3-10-21

10/25/20
svedoz - Warning #2

4atlax - sent highly modified PM #2; he may need additional input in another language
Edit: Vice - 4atlax seems to be complying.

10/26/20
^^GoRiLLaZ^^
svedoz - Infrac sent for Image rule, paysite name and posting bot. GP & 3D/VR threads closed until a satisfactory response is received.
OneSecondMan
BAMovec
yexx

10/27/20
mrMarti Edit 5-30-21. YC, posts removed from 2 (both) VR threads.
Ekatcity110404 - agreed
oraclekurt - agreed

10/30/20
Incezt - agreed
sammy1111 EDIT: I sent PM #2 (3-24-21). I realized Ryan had already sent a custom 2nd PM. I believe this member will just ignore us. EDIT: 4-16-21 - Infrac, 329 posts removed from both threads.
thanjohn8 - agreed
Submaster - sent PM #2 (10/31) - agreed
Bigbaby

10/31/20
Warning #1 sent to Vrmaster; all new posts removed

12/14/20
Warning #1 sent to sammy1111; all new rule-violating posts removed
Warning #1 sent to BAMovec; all new rule-violating posts removed
Taralesh

2/18/21 (per Vice)
MaskSsS - It is in with an infrac for OHR.

2/25/21 (per Vice)
Sexymouse - It's in with an infrac for Paysite name.

03/02/21 (Per Vice)
bertrand62 - PM#1

03/03/21 (Per Vice)
lybimchik PM#1

03/04/21 (Per Vice)
napster007 PM#1 in with Yellow card for creating dead posts. EDIT 4-16-21 Yellow card, posts removed.

03/05/21 (Per Vice)
nikolabl PM#1
ivancimo1981 PM#1

3-11-21 - Vice
JokerTop88 PM#1

3-18-21 - Vice
Lilyuki PM#1

3-19-21 - Vice
webber2018 PM#1. Yellow Card, posts removed.

3-20-21 - Vice
Samanta Wolf PM#1

3-21-21 - Vice
Langiton PM#1
Planetking PM#1 Edit 6-5-21 PM#2 - Did not approved VR thread. Edit: 6-10-21 RC, removed posts.
vewver PM#1
karamelca PM#1

3-23-21 - Vice
pavel1977m PM#1
bertaxcx PM#1

3-25-21 - Vice
archanger PM#1
Xlover1 PM#1, Warning #1
masya12 PM#1, Warning#1 - Posts removed.
mr.Stranfal PM#1
ya88ha PM#1, Warning#1 - posts removed. Infraction - about 400 posts removed across his 3 threads.
BAMovec Infraction - Ignoring - Over-sized Images. Many posts removed.

2nd infrac and posts removed.
piligriimmili PM#1, Warning#1 - posts removed.

3-29-21 - Vice
FUCK U PM#1 - although he's had the standard Over-sized image warnings before. Infrac, 142 posts gone.
Submaster Warning - Newer posts removed.
pornguruu PM#1
mt2010 PM#1 on JM's 1st new thread. Didn't approve thread. Yellow card: 5-8-21.
kyigorra PM#1
Xxet1 PM#1

4-10-21 - Ben
Warning #1 sent to Taralesh

4-13-21 - Vice
bleachug PM#1, PM#2 in with infrac for OHR but should be Paysite name.
Pervozurg PM#1

4-16-21 - Vice
Vahalus PM#1
rallomckoy PM#1
iloveporn45 PM#1
Zzzp PM#1
srv13 PM#1, EDIT 6-18-21 Vice, YC, posts removed.

4-19-21
barony PM#1

4/22/21 (Old Bed)
Bigbaby - Warning + recent posts removed

5-21-21 Vice
JavFun PM#1
zenthark PM#1
tipple_x PM#1

5-23-21 Vice
cuteman PM#1

5-24-21 Vice
Tetcoum PM#1 - Did not approve thread.

5-31-21 Vice
Mopo3 PM#1 Edit: 5-31-21 PM#2 EDIT: 6-21-21 YC, posts removed.
flo99 PM#1 - Friendly version.

6-5-21 Vice
mikal995441990 PM#1 - Thread not approved.
oscillator PM#1

6-7-21 Vice
aleksin1 PM#1. Edit: YC, posts removed.

6-10-21 Vice
holden13 PM#1
pinko28 PM#1

6-13-21 Vice
Max Gentry PM#1
Revizoro PM#1 EDIT: 6-18-21 Vice, YC, posts removed. EDIT: 6-18-21 Vice, RC thread removed.

5-24-22 Vice
hytin Quick PM, post(s) removed.

Old Ben · 22nd October 2020, 10:04

PM #1

In reviewing your General Porn thread, I noticed that many of your posts include multiple large images. This post is an example:

[MEMBER'S POST FROM PM]

Rule 5a of Planetsuzy's Forum-Wide Posting Guidelines instructs posters to use thumbnails - small images that link to larger versions at the image host - rather than large, direct-linked images in their posts. As a result, video posts that include multiple large images will no longer be allowed in the General Porn and Virtual Reality / 3D Porn sections.

From now on, all General Porn and Virtual Reality / 3D Porn video posts may include:

1. No more than 1 large image, whether direct-linked from an image host or linked to an even larger image.

2. Up to 10 additional thumbnail images, each no larger than 300 pixels wide, that may be linked to large images at an image host. These thumbnail images must be arranged horizontally, by inserting a single space between the BB code for each image.

Examples of posts that comply with these guidelines can be found in this thread. You are not expected to follow the exact format of these posts; they are provided as examples of the allowed image sizes.

We are not asking you to go back and change your old posts; these guidelines apply only to new posts made from this point on.

Please contact me via PM if you have any questions. If you are in doubt about whether a post meets these guidelines, it is definitely better to ask before you post. Thank you.

Old Ben · 22nd October 2020, 10:08

PM #2

We created these new guidelines because we noticed that a lot of General Porn posts were starting to include multiple very large images that are direct-linked to their image hosts. These kinds of posts are bad for several reasons:

Believe it or not, most users do not like them, because they find it hard to navigate through so many large images in order to find the file information and download links.
They take up a lot of space on Planetsuzy's servers relative to the actual content they contain.
The images are so large that Planetsuzy must resize them just to get them to fit within the site's page borders.
They are very time-consuming for staff to check and moderate because each post must be scrolled through individually.

It is for these reasons that Rule 5a of Planetsuzy's Forum-Wide Posting Guidelines instructs posters to use thumbnails rather than large images in their posts.

Although there is no specific rule on this issue in the General Porn section, Rule 15 of Planetsuzy's Forum-Wide Posting Guidelines allows staff to "move, remove, merge or edit your posts without notice, in our sole discretion". We generally use this authority only when it is necessary to prevent abusive or problematic posting, which we believe is the case in this situation.

We felt that it would be better to develop specific, universal guidelines to govern image sizes in video posts so that all General Porn posts will be held to the same standard. Otherwise, there is the possibility that different staff members would let some posts stand while other, similar posts were removed. A common standard is more fair for everyone.

I hope this helps you to understand why we added these guidelines and why we have the authority to do so. I realize that this change may create some inconveniences for you as you adapt to the new guidelines. I apologize for the necessity, and I appreciate your compliance.

Old Ben · 22nd October 2020, 10:21

Warning

(Ignoring Staff Instructions)

On [MM/DD/YY OF PM #1], you received a Private Message (PM) that explained the new General Porn guidelines regarding the size of images in video posts. That PM informed you that all new General Porn and Virtual Reality / 3D Porn video posts were limited to:

1. No more than 1 large image, whether direct-linked from an image host or linked to an even larger image.

2. Up to 10 additional thumbnail images, each no larger than 300 pixels wide, that may be linked to large images at an image host. These thumbnail images must be arranged horizontally, by inserting a single space between the BB code for each image.

You have continued to post in violation of these guidelines, as can be seen in the post attached to this Warning. As a result, all the video posts you have made since receiving the PM that violate the image size guidelines have been removed.

Please be aware that any further new posts that you make in violation of these guidelines will be removed. Additionally, we will begin removing groups of your older posts each time you make new posts that violate these guidelines; if you persist, we will remove your thread(s) altogether.

Please contact me via PM if you have any questions. Again: If you are in doubt about whether a post meets these guidelines, it is definitely better to ask before you post.

Old Ben · 24th October 2020, 06:27

PM #3

Old Ben · 24th October 2020, 06:27

PM #4

Old Ben · 24th October 2020, 06:28

PM #5

Old Ben · 30th October 2020, 13:12

Bump.

ViceLikeEye · 19th February 2021, 04:52

Bump!

I had to search the shit out of my subscriptions. Lol.

Edit: Suggestion for certain posters that use an image program (such as Photoshop) to stack and merge pictures to create monolithically long images. **This should probably be modified to fit each member's concerns/issues.

Please do not stack and merge large pictures to create one giant, long picture. It's needlessly redundant information and it makes for an annoyingly long/large post. You can use 1 large image (within the rules) to showcase the identity of the model(s) and then also use a smaller thumbnail collage to showcase the action. You might think information overload is better, but it's counter intuitive. Simple and minimalist is much better. Hitting people over the head with tons of huge pictures won't make them want to download your content more, in fact it might turn members away from your content.

24th October 2020, 06:27	#6
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	PM #3 __________________

24th October 2020, 06:27	#7
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	PM #4 __________________

24th October 2020, 06:28	#8
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	PM #5 __________________

30th October 2020, 13:12	#9
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	Bump. __________________

19th February 2021, 04:52	#10
ViceLikeEye Lamenting Sativa Rose Postaholic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Between Sativa's lips... Posts: 6,778 Thanks: 13,925 Thanked 12,762 Times in 2,656 Posts	Bump! I had to search the shit out of my subscriptions. Lol. Edit: Suggestion for certain posters that use an image program (such as Photoshop) to stack and merge pictures to create monolithically long images. *This should probably be modified to fit each member's concerns/issues. Please do not stack and merge large pictures to create one giant, long picture. It's needlessly redundant information and it makes for an annoyingly long/large post. You can use 1 large image (within the rules) to showcase the identity of the model(s) and then also use a smaller thumbnail collage to showcase the action. You might think information overload is better, but it's counter intuitive. Simple and minimalist is much better. Hitting people over the head with tons of huge pictures won't make them want to download your content more, in fact it might turn members away from your content. Last edited by ViceLikeEye; 29th March 2021 at 17:44.*

22nd October 2020, 09:59	#1
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	Oversized Image Issues/Templates Procedure Follow this process when dealing with posters who include multiple large images in a single post. Be sure to document any interactions, including all PMs sent or received, by posting them in the member's UNs. Additionally, please add the linked usernames of all posters with whom you have interacted in the list below; be sure to include the current "level" of interaction. 1. When you encounter a poster including multiple large images in a single post, send PM #1. 2. If a poster responds to PM #1 by asking why we have added these guidelines or how we can justify them in the absence of a specific rule, send PM #2 (TBD). Feel free to edit or alter PM #2 to tailor it to the poster's specific question(s). 3. If a poster continues to include multiple large images in single posts, send Warning #1 for "Ignoring Staff Instructions" (TBD). Remove all of the poster's new GP posts (made after you sent PM #1) that violate the image guidelines. 4. If a poster still continues to include multiple large images in single posts, send PM #3 (TBD). Remove all of the poster's new GP posts that violate the image guidelines, plus the poster's 20 most recent GP posts that also violate the rule. 5. If a poster still continues to include multiple large images in single posts, send PM #4 (TBD). Remove all of the poster's new GP posts that violate the image guidelines, plus the poster's 50 most recent GP posts regardless of whether they violate the guidelines. 6. If a poster *still* continues to include multiple large images in single posts (i.e. if they're stubborn beyond all reason), send PM #5 (TBD). Remove all of the poster's new GP posts that violate the image guidelines, and move the GP thread in which the posts were made to the Dead Section. I haven't drafted most of these PMs yet; hopefully it won't be necessary to go past the Warning for anyone, but we will if necessary. In your discretion, you may decide to skip over step 4 or step 5 (but no both) in the case of a poster who responds abusively or makes it clear that he/she has no intention of complying. If we do have to remove one or more of a poster's threads, we can always restore them if/when the poster demonstrates a willingness to comply with the guidelines. __________________ Last edited by Old Ben; 22nd October 2020 at 10:42.

22nd October 2020, 10:01	#2
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	List of Notified Posters 10/23/20 mozookfas marhahajcs hytin Vrmaster smart-rod - agreed SelenaBlue eden80 - agreed svedoz kixx - agreed agoes76 Edit: YC, posts removed. 4atlax 06061972 Megatoenn Edit: 5-26-21 - YC - posts removed. (Per Rollo2) Tihomir Teenmushi Torgo Pizza mgeli Z.E.V.S.I.K.A PM#2 (Per Vice) 3-10-21 10/25/20 svedoz - Warning #2 4atlax - sent highly modified PM #2; he may need additional input in another language Edit: Vice - 4atlax seems to be complying. 10/26/20 ^^GoRiLLaZ^^ svedoz - Infrac sent for Image rule, paysite name and posting bot. GP & 3D/VR threads closed until a satisfactory response is received. OneSecondMan BAMovec yexx 10/27/20 mrMarti Edit 5-30-21. YC, posts removed from 2 (both) VR threads. Ekatcity110404 - agreed oraclekurt - agreed 10/30/20 Incezt - agreed sammy1111 EDIT: I sent PM #2 (3-24-21). I realized Ryan had already sent a custom 2nd PM. I believe this member will just ignore us. EDIT: 4-16-21 - Infrac, 329 posts removed from both threads. thanjohn8 - agreed Submaster - sent PM #2 (10/31) - agreed Bigbaby 10/31/20 Warning #1 sent to Vrmaster; all new posts removed 12/14/20 Warning #1 sent to sammy1111; all new rule-violating posts removed Warning #1 sent to BAMovec; all new rule-violating posts removed Taralesh 2/18/21 (per Vice) MaskSsS - It is in with an infrac for OHR. 2/25/21 (per Vice) Sexymouse - It's in with an infrac for Paysite name. 03/02/21 (Per Vice) bertrand62 - PM#1 03/03/21 (Per Vice) lybimchik PM#1 03/04/21 (Per Vice) napster007 PM#1 in with Yellow card for creating dead posts. EDIT 4-16-21 Yellow card, posts removed. 03/05/21 (Per Vice) nikolabl PM#1 ivancimo1981 PM#1 3-11-21 - Vice JokerTop88 PM#1 3-18-21 - Vice Lilyuki PM#1 3-19-21 - Vice webber2018 PM#1. Yellow Card, posts removed. 3-20-21 - Vice Samanta Wolf PM#1 3-21-21 - Vice Langiton PM#1 Planetking PM#1 Edit 6-5-21 PM#2 - Did not approved VR thread. Edit: 6-10-21 RC, removed posts. vewver PM#1 karamelca PM#1 3-23-21 - Vice pavel1977m PM#1 bertaxcx PM#1 3-25-21 - Vice archanger PM#1 Xlover1 PM#1, Warning #1 masya12 PM#1, Warning#1 - Posts removed. mr.Stranfal PM#1 ya88ha PM#1, Warning#1 - posts removed. Infraction - about 400 posts removed across his 3 threads. BAMovec Infraction - Ignoring - Over-sized Images. Many posts removed. 2nd infrac and posts removed. piligriimmili PM#1, Warning#1 - posts removed. 3-29-21 - Vice FUCK U PM#1 - although he's had the standard Over-sized image warnings before. Infrac, 142 posts gone. Submaster Warning - Newer posts removed. pornguruu PM#1 mt2010 PM#1 on JM's 1st new thread. Didn't approve thread. Yellow card: 5-8-21. kyigorra PM#1 Xxet1 PM#1 4-10-21 - Ben Warning #1 sent to Taralesh 4-13-21 - Vice bleachug PM#1, PM#2 in with infrac for OHR but should be Paysite name. Pervozurg PM#1 4-16-21 - Vice Vahalus PM#1 rallomckoy PM#1 iloveporn45 PM#1 Zzzp PM#1 srv13 PM#1, EDIT 6-18-21 Vice, YC, posts removed. 4-19-21 barony PM#1 4/22/21 (Old Bed) Bigbaby - Warning + recent posts removed 5-21-21 Vice JavFun PM#1 zenthark PM#1 tipple_x PM#1 5-23-21 Vice cuteman PM#1 5-24-21 Vice Tetcoum PM#1 - Did not approve thread. 5-31-21 Vice Mopo3 PM#1 Edit: 5-31-21 PM#2 EDIT: 6-21-21 YC, posts removed. flo99 PM#1 - Friendly version. 6-5-21 Vice mikal995441990 PM#1 - Thread not approved. oscillator PM#1 6-7-21 Vice aleksin1 PM#1. Edit: YC, posts removed. 6-10-21 Vice holden13 PM#1 pinko28 PM#1 6-13-21 Vice Max Gentry PM#1 Revizoro PM#1 EDIT: 6-18-21 Vice, YC, posts removed. EDIT: 6-18-21 Vice, RC thread removed. 5-24-22 Vice hytin Quick PM, post(s) removed. __________________ Last edited by ViceLikeEye; 24th May 2022 at 08:32.

22nd October 2020, 10:04	#3
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	PM #1 In reviewing your General Porn thread, I noticed that many of your posts include multiple large images. This post is an example: [MEMBER'S POST FROM PM] Rule 5a of Planetsuzy's Forum-Wide Posting Guidelines instructs posters to use thumbnails - small images that link to larger versions at the image host - rather than large, direct-linked images in their posts. As a result, video posts that include multiple large images will no longer be allowed in the General Porn and Virtual Reality / 3D Porn sections. From now on, all General Porn and Virtual Reality / 3D Porn video posts may include: 1. No more than 1 large image, whether direct-linked from an image host or linked to an even larger image. 2. Up to 10 additional thumbnail images, each no larger than 300 pixels wide, that may be linked to large images at an image host. These thumbnail images must be arranged horizontally, by inserting a single space between the BB code for each image. Examples of posts that comply with these guidelines can be found in this thread. You are not expected to follow the exact format of these posts; they are provided as examples of the allowed image sizes. We are not asking you to go back and change your old posts; these guidelines apply only to new posts made from this point on. Please contact me via PM if you have any questions. If you are in doubt about whether a post meets these guidelines, it is definitely better to ask before you post. Thank you. __________________ Last edited by Old Ben; 14th December 2020 at 16:31.

22nd October 2020, 10:08	#4
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	PM #2 We created these new guidelines because we noticed that a lot of General Porn posts were starting to include multiple very large images that are direct-linked to their image hosts. These kinds of posts are bad for several reasons: Believe it or not, most users do not like them, because they find it hard to navigate through so many large images in order to find the file information and download links. They take up a lot of space on Planetsuzy's servers relative to the actual content they contain. The images are so large that Planetsuzy must resize them just to get them to fit within the site's page borders. They are very time-consuming for staff to check and moderate because each post must be scrolled through individually. It is for these reasons that Rule 5a of Planetsuzy's Forum-Wide Posting Guidelines instructs posters to use thumbnails rather than large images in their posts. Although there is no specific rule on this issue in the General Porn section, Rule 15 of Planetsuzy's Forum-Wide Posting Guidelines allows staff to "move, remove, merge or edit your posts without notice, in our sole discretion". We generally use this authority only when it is necessary to prevent abusive or problematic posting, which we believe is the case in this situation. We felt that it would be better to develop specific, universal guidelines to govern image sizes in video posts so that all General Porn posts will be held to the same standard. Otherwise, there is the possibility that different staff members would let some posts stand while other, similar posts were removed. A common standard is more fair for everyone. I hope this helps you to understand why we added these guidelines and why we have the authority to do so. I realize that this change may create some inconveniences for you as you adapt to the new guidelines. I apologize for the necessity, and I appreciate your compliance. __________________ Last edited by Old Ben; 22nd October 2020 at 11:09.

22nd October 2020, 10:21	#5
Old Ben So Uncivilized Clinically Insane Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Outer Rim Posts: 3,160 Thanks: 90,534 Thanked 47,873 Times in 2,850 Posts	Warning (Ignoring Staff Instructions) On [MM/DD/YY OF PM #1], you received a Private Message (PM) that explained the new General Porn guidelines regarding the size of images in video posts. That PM informed you that all new General Porn and Virtual Reality / 3D Porn video posts were limited to: 1. No more than 1 large image, whether direct-linked from an image host or linked to an even larger image. 2. Up to 10 additional thumbnail images, each no larger than 300 pixels wide, that may be linked to large images at an image host. These thumbnail images must be arranged horizontally, by inserting a single space between the BB code for each image. You have continued to post in violation of these guidelines, as can be seen in the post attached to this Warning. As a result, all the video posts you have made since receiving the PM that violate the image size guidelines have been removed. Please be aware that any further new posts that you make in violation of these guidelines will be removed. Additionally, we will begin removing groups of your older posts each time you make new posts that violate these guidelines; if you persist, we will remove your thread(s) altogether. Please contact me via PM if you have any questions. Again: If you are in doubt about whether a post meets these guidelines, it is definitely better to ask before you post. __________________ Last edited by Old Ben; 31st October 2020 at 11:12.