Boxing

[MIB04]

Pac and Bradley would be interesting at 147. Trout and Canello would be interesting at 154. The most challenging fight I see for Mayweather would be a catchweight fight at 157 with Sergio. That is the one fight that I would like to see most.

Alexander was a red herring after all.

Floyd Mayweather vs Robert Guerrero confirmed for May 4th.

The undercard is expected to feature WBC light-middleweight champion Saul Alvarez against WBA titlist Austin Trout. Should 'Canelo' retain his unbeaten record, a fight with Mayweather is likely to take place on September 14.

[hernanday]

Canelo Trout is now next month and moved up.
Floyd will fight 6 fights over 2 years and likely retire after his 250mil deal with show time
We all saw the Dawson Ward fight, a guy fighting at drained weight, simply is not himself. Its not like Ward is some great unstoppable force, Dawson was only a little less good. But when he went in against Ward he was weight drained, got tired, couldn't punch hard enough, couldn't think clearly and ended up getting whipped. That is why ward won't come down to fight Maravilla to make the biggest realistic fight in boxing. I'd suspect if Martinez fought ward at the same weight drained requirements dawson fought ward at, Dawson would start to look a whole lot better.

I wouldn't have too much hopes of Canelo beating Trout. Trout beat Cotto badly coming off Cotto's best fight, he busted Floyd's lip and nose and hit him with alot of good shots. Trout beat the best Cotto at 154, not weight drained (which is why Cotto talked about retirement, when people beat you at your best like that, it has to go through your head). Canelo looked unimpressive against an aging mosley who hadn't won a fight in nearly 5 years.

The best fight coming up is actually Rigondeaux vs Nonito Donaire. I consider it the closest thing to pacquiao mayweather we will see. Slick cuban boxer vs hard hitting filipino.

Rigondeaux was just too slick.

Canelo called out Floyd Mayweather after beating Trout last night. No doubt we will probably get some shit like Mayweather vs Amir Khan providing Khan beats his upcoming tomato can and Mayweather beats Robert Guerrero.

[hernanday]

I doubt the Canelo Mayweather fight will happen, not because Canelo won, but how he won. It now poses the same "pacquiao problem" for floyd. even if Floyd wins, he will still lose in public opinion. It seems whenever a slick guy fights a hard hitting guy at the low weight class, public and many judges favour the hard hitter regardless of how bad he performs. In the case of Canelo, look at how lopsided the judges gave him a fight which he imo lost but most feel was very close. even if canelo didn't get the kd, he would still have been awarded the decision, and if I was Floyd I would avoid.

Its actually appears irrelvent if he is beat or not, he is being given fights by judges.

Canelo walks around at 175ish floyd 150ish. Canelo makes weight at 154 but he is really should be contending with andre ward and martinez those guys are closer in weight to him. If he really wants to fight floyd he needs to beat the best guys around and drop his entitlement. Floyd din't just walk in and get oscar, he had to fight his way up against real contenders, win like belts across 3-4 weight classes. Let canelo fight lara and the armeninain, then let him fight his way down to floyd up the rankings. Canelo fought Trout, beat him controversially he needs more fights before he should get a run at the top. I can think of guys more deserving than him like marquez and bradley who've fought their way up through the rankings and paid their dues. Its not cool a guy beats up an old man mosley and light weight lopez and his first real fight trout and expect to get to the top. Boxing foesn't work like that. Tyson had to wipe out an entire division before he even got a crack at the real lineal champion michael spinks.

Although Canelo has 42 wins,its deceptive, most of those are against mexi-CANS, and truly bad fighters. I'donly look at his us fights, and in that, he needs to fight his way up.

It looks like Marquez vs Bradley is on . September 14th

Word came out today that Timothy Bradley vs. Juan Manuel Marquez looks a go for September 14th at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas. Marquez has been saying for a week that the fight is on, and the Bradley Camp is now on board as well. The fight will likely go against a Canelo Alvarez fight at the MGM Grand, similar to when Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Alvarez went head to head on the same date last year (and sold out both venues). With a win, Marquez would add a world title in a fifth weight class.

[armyant223]

Commentators even even acknowledge that Trout was the busier fighter but since when do judges award to the less busy, more defensive fighter. Remember Delahoya vs. Trinidad? Split decision or draw... no way way that unanimous! I love Canelo, but he didn't win that fight.

Originally Posted by hernanday

I doubt the Canelo Mayweather fight will happen, not because Canelo won, but how he won. It now poses the same "pacquiao problem" for floyd. even if Floyd wins, he will still lose in public opinion. It seems whenever a slick guy fights a hard hitting guy at the low weight class, public and many judges favour the hard hitter regardless of how bad he performs. In the case of Canelo, look at how lopsided the judges gave him a fight which he imo lost but most feel was very close. even if canelo didn't get the kd, he would still have been awarded the decision, and if I was Floyd I would avoid.

Its actually appears irrelvent if he is beat or not, he is being given fights by judges.

Canelo walks around at 175ish floyd 150ish. Canelo makes weight at 154 but he is really should be contending with andre ward and martinez those guys are closer in weight to him. If he really wants to fight floyd he needs to beat the best guys around and drop his entitlement. Floyd din't just walk in and get oscar, he had to fight his way up against real contenders, win like belts across 3-4 weight classes. Let canelo fight lara and the armeninain, then let him fight his way down to floyd up the rankings. Canelo fought Trout, beat him controversially he needs more fights before he should get a run at the top. I can think of guys more deserving than him like marquez and bradley who've fought their way up through the rankings and paid their dues. Its not cool a guy beats up an old man mosley and light weight lopez and his first real fight trout and expect to get to the top. Boxing foesn't work like that. Tyson had to wipe out an entire division before he even got a crack at the real lineal champion michael spinks.

Although Canelo has 42 wins,its deceptive, most of those are against mexi-CANS, and truly bad fighters. I'donly look at his us fights, and in that, he needs to fight his way up.

[hernanday]

Originally Posted by armyant223

Commentators even even acknowledge that Trout was the busier fighter but since when do judges award to the less busy, more defensive fighter. Remember Delahoya vs. Trinidad? Split decision or draw... no way way that unanimous! I love Canelo, but he didn't win that fight.

Trout outlanded Canelo by some 20 odd shots, there were rounds in the early rounds where Canelo landed as few as 8 shots yet 1 judge gave him the round regardless. That same judge claimed Canelo won all of the last 4 rounds, even in the 12th when he did nothing.

I saw it the same as you. I saw Canelo sit on the ropes for a good 4 rounds, not be aggressive, not have any ring generalship, get outlanded but showed decent defense, and landed 3-4 good shots per round (only because he punches harder) yet be given rounds he was losing because he made trout miss. I can only conclude these guys can't score boxing. Boxing is scored off of aggressiveness, clean punches, ring generalship,and defense in that order. You cannot win, or you aren't suppose to win a fight by just sitting back and countering occasionally with a few hard punches while being overly defensive.

I agree with you, the busy, more aggressive, come forward fighter is usually given the round, even if he is missing, he is landing more. Or else, why fight, why not every boxer sit on the ropes and just be overly defensive, make the guy miss and counter hard and then get the W, what incentive is there to fight if you don't have to?

Good fight last night with Amir Khan and Julio Diaz.

Khan once again knocked down and caught by the counter left hook, but at least he tried to hold this time.

Lucky to get the points win in the end.

Another great performance from Floyd Mayweather on Saturday. Well worth my one month subscription to boxnation.

I had to laugh at Floyd Senior in the corner between rounds. ''have your fun, you're on pay per view. he is a club fighter'' and he really did make him look like a club fighter, but then he does that to most of his opposition.

I really like Abner Mares. That might have been the first time I've seen him on Saturday with his tko win over Ponce De Leon.