Boxing

[RedShutter]

prince naseem..lol
great move when fighting

not very lively in here.

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Manny Pacquaio 4 in December. Sigh. The first two fights I wouldn't have argued against the Pacquaio win, even though the first was a draw. Their fight last year, I definitely had Marquez winning. Pacquaio looked like he was done. Then we had Pacquaio vs Bradley, and this time it was Pacquaio who ended up on the wrong end of judges/Bob Arum bullshit.

So we are getting the fourth fight. I'm still looking forward to it. Perhaps Pacquaio can knock out Marquez and prove he still has it, or will Marquez get another bad decision.

I thought the Saturday fight with Sergio Matrinez vs Julio Chavez junior was good. First 10 rounds Martinez took him to school, it went pretty much like I had thought it would. Fair play to Chavez for unleashing all he had in the 12th round to knock down Martinez. It just wasn't enough to win on points.

What a fight with Marquez and Pacquaio. The best since the first one. five rounds gone. Both have been down. It was all out war at the end of round 5. Great stuff.

wow!! knock out end of round 6. Pacman knocked out cold. Marquez finally gets his win. Right at the bell.

[Mo]

WOW with this result doubt the Pacman V Mayweather will happen now.

[handzum]

too bad pacman lost..

Marquez wanted the KO badly just so he wouldn't be robbed. He had more muscle even though he was 4lbs lighter than Pacquaio. Pacquaio actually looked a little leaner and was moving about a bit like he used to. He got carried away and took the ultimate counter punch. I was worried for a few seconds when he just went flat on his face.

Originally Posted by M.23

WOW with this result doubt the Pacman V Mayweather will happen now.

Bob Arum wants to do a fifth fight.

Mayweather should fight Robert Guerrero next. If not Guerrero then Tim Bradley since Bradley beat Pacquaio (even though he didn't)

[MIB04]

WOW with this result doubt the Pacman V Mayweather will happen now.

It is still possible if Pacquaiao took a huge paycut.

I don't care for any fight at 145 for Mayweather. I'd rather him take a fight at 154 against Canelo Alvarez or a Sergio Martinez coming down in weight.

Floyd Mayweather says the front runner for his next fight is Devon Alexander in May.

Alexander was supposed to defend his ibf welterweight title against Kell Brook later this month, but of course he pulled out because of a bicep injury. This wasn't the first time the fight has been postponed. Brook got injured earlier on. So I'm thinking this is was the plan all along. Brook and his promoter get paid off. Maybe Alexander gets stripped of his title and Brook gets award it or fights somebody for it.

I've watched all of Brook's fights and I'm not thinking wow amazing or anything. If he managed to defeat Alexander in America then I'd give him credit.. I have watched a few Alexander fights and he hasn't exactly given me any good memories. He is terrible.

At least that fight had something to it. British guy going to America and trying to show if he is the real deal by winning a world title, I've watched many over the years looking great in Britain then when it is time to step up, they get found out. It was on sky sports as well so no extra charge. I was looking forward to it.

Now I find out it was a scam. Fuck that shit. Mayweather vs Alexander? wow. I probably wont even watch this, I will not be paying for it. I know exactly how every round is going to play out.

[hernanday]

No one expects Alexander to beat Mayweather, but in boxing terms, Mayweather is very old, in fact, if I recall correctly, Mayweather is has been going grey for at least 1 year now. Think of what most fighters look like at 35? Sure you have some late starters like Bhop, but he has an advantage of being a late starter (didn't accumulate all that brain damage from boxing while being under his 20s when the skull is thinner, not fully fused, etc). But when I think of fighters over 40, almost all of them are involved in or suspected of doping (klitschko, bhop, toney, tarver, roy jones, holyfield, etc).

Then throw in the numerous guys in boxing who are doping or are plain cans with inflated records. Mayweather has few real competitors to pick from.
The best fights I think may could make in order from best to worst are:
-trout
-pacman
-Martinez
-lara
-bradley

However I think much of what's going on is much about nothing. The whole class of fighters from 154 to 130 want to fight Floyd because they think its going to be a big pay cheque, it isn't Floyd isn't giving guys moneys. Cotto got $10 million from Floyd. He got 12 million from pac a few years earlier and was offered $15 mil to fight pac again but turned it down b/c he thought he couldn't win. One might think $10 million isn't bad, but lets not forget, Cotto is filling major stadiums and making similar numbers after the tv, ppv, and advertising rolls in fighting guys like trout and mayorga although the guaranteed purse is only $1+ million when he self promotes. It is a far bigger % of the overall pie ~66% as opposed to the usually 3 way split.

The mistakes fighters make is chasing the big pay day dream. What if the big pay day never comes, everyone across 6 divisions want to fight Mayweather, probably one of the least active champions. I think of someone like Erislandy Lara who is a good boxer, not great but reasonably good, better than most guys in his division, represents why guys need to promote their own fights.

The TV networks are paying between 300k-500k for just a regular time show at the starting level. More if the numbers are above average good. Then you have a series of other revenue streams, advertising, renting venue space to vendors, merchandise, +gate. A boxer like Lara or with his talent level could fight top fighters, or fairly good fighters who he is beating,put on a good show and be walking away ~60-70% of revenue on his first fight. Overtime the amount the network will pay you will go up if you get viewers, which shouldn't be too hard, put some of the earnings back into advertising increase fan base and continue. Most guys are going to fight 20-25 fights at a high level before making 250k, just look at Austin Trout. And plenty of guys have 25-30 wins with fewer than 3 losses and are not seeing that kind of money. Promote your own fight, your making 300-600k and more over time. Run your business right and make the right moves and reinvest you can be a guy like Oscar, very good fighter with above average skill, who is earning doughnuts because he promotes his own fights. You don't have to be a great fighter to make millions or outearn someone, the smart boxers learn this like cotto and floyd and self promote. The slower boxers fight for promoters who take all their money, give them shillings after all the money goes to taxes, trainers, and expenses.

And even if you do beat a pacquiao or mayweather, don't think your going to get their money and intl fame after. Bradley "beat" pacquiao, unless you ko Pac or Mayweather (like Marquez did) don't expect the money to be rolling in even if you do win.

I have critics of Mayweather, but he is a good fighter who never clearly lost a fight, my real beef in boxing is with the blantant robberies where judges are giving fights to the promoters fighter like the Ponce De Leon fight where Broner, clearly, clearly lost and was thoroughly out classed. I will never pay to watch a Broner fight or any fighter like him who is known to be corrupt just like I never paid to watch sugar ray leonard who was clearly beaten and clearly bought out Duran.