Will CGI make Pornstars redundant?

[Armanoïd]

Originally Posted by KeepItReal

I don't get all the talk about the emotional aspect of porn? They are just actresses who are faking it

Well, Slap Happy 3, Princessa, Airyan Sinn, Casey the chearleader....

That's pretty old and bad quality, but that's what I call fucking emotional, the girl doesn't fake it, it's obvious, she signed for rough sex, and that's what she gets, beyond all her expectations...

I'm not talking about those 90's/2000's style prod with random bimbo and random joe in a random californian house performing random sex that can barely give a bonner to the random porn addict

Max Hardcore Layla Jade...
The toilet scene with fisted ass...
That's fucking emotional, how do you plan on faking that girl's scream while she gets fisted in the ass, that's authentic

Emotional=authenticity, if you prefer
The kind of pain/pleasure you recognize by the noise coming from it, among many other stuffs like eye contacts...

How do you plan to fake shame for example ?
I mean, realistically, not cartoon style

Now get some 3D movies as realistic as those old vids, without motion capturing real actors...
Good luck with that
Humans are way more than flying objects and plastic dolls

PublicDisgrace - James Deen, Cecilia Vega (2009)
That's fucking emotional

[Armanoïd]

Originally Posted by thesandman

http://xhamster.com/movies/1627521/the_pacifier.html (yes, I'm shamelessly using my own creation as an example here), which was created using a program that runs on an engine from 2005 or 2006. But still think how that would have looked like in 2000, and imagine what will most likely be doable in 2025.

While I don't deny your work (I think it's pretty cool), to me, it's not porn
It's CGI porn
I mean, I don't get a boner/excited over polygons, if you know what I mean

Now if a set of characters+stage sets and ready to use animation packs of this work (like 12 char+animations+stage sets+sound for each) are available for something between 30 and 50 $, will I buy it ?
I guess I would consider the offer, yes, and probably buy it

But not to make porn movies, just to have fun with and make funny scenes and dialogs

Purpose of porn is masturbation
It has to deliver the boner, and for that, it requires much more than just means, like a random bimbo with random dudes in a random beautiful house performing random scenes already seen 100000 times...

It requires a fucking pervert with a cam, the appropriate slut, and a huge dose of perversion, IMO

[SaintsDecay]

Originally Posted by KeepItReal

I find the elves and monsters etc take away from the raw sexuality. It becomes a kind of sci-fi comic book instead of something you can relate to and get turned on by. Then again porn is about escaping reality isn't it!

It is. I doubt you'd see average joes jerking off to night elf and Twi'lek porn, but that sort of thing appeals to guys like me because I'm just into stuff like that. When I watched the Twi'lek slave dance scene in "Return of the Jedi", I always thought-- man, I bet Jabba's henchmen have done raunchy things to her. When I read about Rivendell in "Lord of the Rings", I always thought about Arwen having a dirty side. These are just underlying fantasies of mine, and other people with the means to that end make it a reality. Really, it is like a sci-fi comic book, only one you can jerk off to. It has all of the key elements of porn, it epitomizes the entire point.

As I said, though, it appeals to a certain audience. Most people won't get anything out of it.

Originally Posted by Armanoïd

Now get some CGI as realistic as those old vids, without motion capturing real actors...
Good luck with that
Humans are way more than flying objects and plastic dolls

3D porn isn't about emotion, nor is it about realism. Quite the opposite in fact for the latter. You'll find a lot of Empire State Building-sized dicks and Pacific Ocean-sized boobs in 3D porn. It's all about perfecting excess. It isn't supposed to be realistic.

As for emotion, that really doesn't factor in. At this point anyway, it's not like Hentai. It's not about squeaky orgasms. It's about the image. Sexy girl, huge dick-- no blemishes, no imperfections. That is 3D porn for you.

One of the major fetishes aside from the fantasy-themed stuff that I'm into that you see a lot in 3D porn is incest. Not a huge market in actual porn, but the 3D audience seems to love it. Never been a fan of it. There is also a big market for fans of transsexual porn. Plenty of sexy girls with big dicks for you guys.

[thesandman]

Originally Posted by Armanoïd

While I don't deny your work (I think it's pretty cool), to me, it's not porn
It's CGI porn
I mean, I don't get a boner/excited over polygons, if you know what I mean

Yeah, I think I do:

Don't forget that porn includes real women having real sex and ideally having real orgasms or at least real fun while doing so. And the unspoken promise for the viewer that he potentially could have all the kinky sex with his favorite performer he's watching as well. And THIS is something CGI porn will never be able to offer

I would still call it porn (the same as I call any kind of explicit visual erotica porn, whether it's rendered, drawn or filmed), but that's a question of perspective.

Originally Posted by Armanoïd

Now if a set of characters+stage sets and ready to use animation packs of this work (like 12 char+animations+stage sets+sound for each) are available for something between 30 and 50 $, will I buy it ?
I guess I would consider the offer, yes, and probably buy it

Considering how the few suppliers are ripping of their customers (a four digit-sum for the game that's the base for the program I was using, with lots of the fancy stuff lacking), I don't expect something like that to come out anytime soon. Though I'm with you there, the prices you're talking about are much more appropriate then what they're actually demanding.

Originally Posted by SaintsDecay

3D porn isn't about emotion, nor is it about realism. Quite the opposite in fact for the latter. You'll find a lot of Empire State Building-sized dicks and Pacific Ocean-sized boobs in 3D porn. It's all about perfecting excess. It isn't supposed to be realistic.

Let's rather say that 3D porn attracts these fringe audiences that aren't catered to by the mainstream. After all, any everyman with Daz and enough time on his hands can create a 3d comic. Whether it's, as you've mentioned, escapist (fantasy, sci-fi) or borderline-illegal porn (rape, incest, bestiality). But CGI porn being pidgeonholed into these genres is more due to it being the second-best choice for their followers - after all, scenes like these aren't shot in mainstream porn.

Though my personal liking of CGI porn comes from it being able to combine different genres that are unlikely to go together in real porn. For example, the big tit stars that were so common in the 90s almost never shot more than vanilla b/g scenes (if any); and them doing a raunchy gangbang scene is something I rarely ever found apart from a few performers every now and then. It's not as if there is or was a shortage of either genre, but a combination of both is an extreme rarity (and gets progressively rarer the more genres you throw into the mix). A huge breasted asian porn star in an MMMF-scene for example has to cover too many bases to happen in real life - and that's an obstacle that doesn't exist for CGI.

[Armanoïd]

If I were a porn producer, and for some reason, I wanted to be the James Cameron of porn using CGI, I would go tentacle porn, Urotsukidoji style with real actors and CGI for tentacles

Best of Davy Jones - YouTube

Best of Davy Jones - YouTube

Or a POC parody, with dicks instead of tentacles, I don't know

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest- Creating Davy Jones at Walt Disney World Backlot - YouTube

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest- Creating Davy Jones at Walt Disney World Backlot - YouTube

[winbot]

I dont think it will. Even as it gets easier to do having an artist(s) do all that work is going to be way more expensive than paying actresses etc.

[thesandman]

Originally Posted by winbot

I dont think it will. Even as it gets easier to do having an artist(s) do all that work is going to be way more expensive than paying actresses etc.

I don't think so. Of course the workload is bigger than just shooting a scene, but on the other hand it is reasonable to assume that there will be at one point
- easy-to-learn programs
- high-quality graphics indistinguishable from reality
- libraries of already existing high-quality poses (believe me when I say that at this point creating animations is the most tedious part of shooting a video)

Everything can be done by a single person, and some fees for licensed material on top of that. A real scene, on the other hand, would require a team for filming & lighting, several actors and actresses, a cutter etc. Not to mention that particularly appealing and desired performers can ask a lot more, and the same goes for particularly difficult or nasty scenes. CGI porn, on the other hand, would be the great equalizer because no matter what is done on screen and no matter how the avatars look, they're basically all the same.

[Armanoïd]

Originally Posted by thesandman

I don't think so. Of course the workload is bigger than just shooting a scene, but on the other hand it is reasonable to assume that there will be at one point
- easy-to-learn programs
- high-quality graphics indistinguishable from reality
- libraries of already existing high-quality poses (believe me when I say that at this point creating animations is the most tedious part of shooting a video)

Everything can be done by a single person, and some fees for licensed material on top of that. A real scene, on the other hand, would require a team for filming & lighting, several actors and actresses, a cutter etc. Not to mention that particularly appealing and desired performers can ask a lot more, and the same goes for particularly difficult or nasty scenes. CGI porn, on the other hand, would be the great equalizer because no matter what is done on screen and no matter how the avatars look, they're basically all the same.

I agree on most of the technical part, except on few minor points

A team or a studio is not necessary to achieve a great porn movie

In fact, expensive porn prods from the 90's/2000's, Marc Dorcel style, have almost disappeared, replaced by gonzo prods (which are often great)

About close range, the mouth, the genitals...
It has cavities with a lot of shapes inside...
Not to mention the fluids pooring on it
It will be a hell of a work to make the girl talk and get bukkaked at the same time, realistically I mean, with insane closeups...Asking for a hell of physics and calculations...In Ultra HD that we still don't have...

And it doesn't solve the problem of the sound, vocoders won't be enough I think, a database will be required, for the voice too, to make her talk

In the end, those movies might look quite the same...



Edit:

Now what I think CGI can achieve, and not in 20 years, for a reasonable cost, that can't be achieved otherwise, is awesome scenery/stage set
Like in the Pirate Of The carrabean parody



This movie was great, really, one of the few I would buy in DVD

[DigNap15]

As long as they make movies where the "girl"wanks the guy onto her face I'm all for it.

And it would be great if you could dial up what you wanted.
Eg blonde
No tats
Size C boobs

[alexora]

When the time comes that true photorealistic moving image porn (ie: indistinguishable from the real thing) can be produced easily and relatively inexpensively, I think there will definitively be a market for it.

Retired pornstars with a large fanbase could license their image and likeness for new scenes that depict them in their prime, paired off with virtual male talent that is hung, readily hard and that produce copious cumshots.

The original pornstars should of course be involved as voice actors to keep it as real as possible.

I for one would download CGI scenes of Gauge, looking at her best, taking on what would be the zenith of male talent and all she would have to do is voice dub her virtual self.

I wish Gauge had done a scene with Mandingo and Shane Diesel and received Peter North stile facials: with CGI this could be possible...