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alex1 · 28th January 2020, 21:53

It's just simple math, epidemiology and biology. An infected person who even if there are careful will spread the virus to at least 3 people. And this virus can be spread by people who are asymptomatic. The virus is expelled every time an infected person breathes, so anyone in a 3-6 feet radius can become exposed.

It will take months not days in order to come up with some vaccine. So there is no cure now, if you have a healthy immune system you can fight it off. if your elderly, sick or young, it is dangerous.

I have said that for over a week now that the virus was more serious than we were being told. Because the rate of infection numbers just were wrong. While the WHO and other governments have said it's no big deal. It's scary.

Fallon · 28th January 2020, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex1

It will take months not days in order to come up with some vaccine. So there is no cure now, if you have a healthy immune system you can fight it off. if your elderly, sick or young, it is dangerous.

Same goes for every flu epidemic we see every winter, right? right.

If you want to believe all this media made fearmongering, live your life in duck and cover manner - cool. I for myself choose to not be hysteric.

I should've died from the mad cow disease after the big UK BSE outbreak in the late 90's, I should've died from SARS in the early 2000's, I should've died from the pig flu, from the swine flu and from the bird flu.

But guess what? i'm still here.

SynchroDub · 28th January 2020, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallon

Same goes for every flu epidemic we see every winter, right? right.

If you want to believe all this media made fearmongering, live your life in duck and cover manner - cool. I for myself choose to not be hysteric.

I should've died from the mad cow disease after the big UK BSE outbreak in the late 90's, I should've died from SARS in the early 2000's, I should've died from the pig flu, from the swine flu and from the bird flu.

But guess what? i'm still here.

I feel exactly the same.

alex1 · 29th January 2020, 01:03

Honestly the use of intelligence and caution is not giving in to fear-mongering nor is it living my life in duck and cover manner. Nor is it choosing to be hysterical. Nor is it being foolish, The Spanish influenza killed what about 50 million people?

What I have said was simply we weren't being told the true rates of infection and the consequences of contracting the Corona virus. And yes people will die from it but I can't be so cavalier about it, especially when I know that it's victims will be elderly people, young people and people who already have health issues. My compassion doesn't allow me to be that way.

pearldiver6 · 29th January 2020, 01:21

Back in the late 80's I knew a fellow who worked in a testing lab who said they expected the hiv virus to become an airborne variant in a few months. Thankfully he/they were wrong, so far as we know. How does that relate to the current issue? Not at all I guess. The curious thing to me is how it always seems to be framed as "We're fucked!" on the one
hand various govt. sources saying, "Yes, the shit load of dioxin was released, but there was never any danger." Kind of like when Reagan was president in the US and they kept talking about the gaps...missile gap, chemical weapons gap, and on and on, without addressing the gap between his ears. But, the issue I have been told with China always being blamed for the next up and coming flu strain is that in China there are many folks who live in closely alongside livestock and or birds. And that allows human and animal viruses to meet, greet, and mutate. Some might say, "Hey bud, you just described a farm!" But I mean in a more familial type setting. Like some folks have and keep a few pigs or fowl at home. Perhaps I am misinformed. In any case, China always seems to get the blame for the latest and greatest new flu strains.

Eurynomos · 29th January 2020, 04:48

HIV virus was more like a biological weapon against LGBT rights movement than a pandemic, anthrax and mad cows was more like terrorist propaganda and now this is more like an economic attack against USA-China new agreements...a nuclear war against nations one each other to a global one its more possible, Euromaidan 2014 was the neareast moment for it.

alexora · 29th January 2020, 07:21

Latest news in:

Coronavirus: Australia plans island
quarantine as foreigners leave Wuhan

Hundreds of foreign nationals have been evacuated from the Chinese city of Wuhan, the centre of the coronavirus outbreak, as more deaths and cases were confirmed.

Australia plans to quarantine its 600 returning citizens for two weeks on Christmas Island - some 2,000km (1,200 miles) from the mainland.

Japan, the US and the EU are also repatriating their citizens.

President Xi Jinping called the virus a "devil" but said China would defeat it.

An expert from the Chinese National Health Commission (NHC) said it could take 10 more days for the outbreak to peak.

The number of deaths from the virus has risen to 132 in China, the NHC said on Wednesday.

The virus is thought to have emerged from illegally traded wildlife at a seafood market in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province.

It causes severe acute respiratory infection and there is no specific cure or vaccine.

Meanwhile, Starbucks has closed half of its Chinese outlets, as the economic impact continues to grow.

Who is being evacuated?

Australian evacuees will be held on Christmas Island for two weeks, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said.

The announcement sparked controversy as the island is best known as an immigration detention centre, which has been criticised for its conditions and alleged human rights violations.

Currently only housing one Sri Lankan family of four, the facility was built to accommodate more than 1,000 people.

New Zealand will cooperate with Canberra to bring its 53 citizens home alongside the Australian evacuees.

Some 200 Japanese nationals have been flown from Wuhan and have landed at Tokyo's Haneda airport.

Around 650 others said they wanted to be repatriated, and the Japanese government said new flights were being planned.

According to Japanese media, several of the returnees were suffering from fever or coughs. All will be taken taken to hospital, regardless of whether they are showing symptoms.

They will then be tested in a quarantine ward before they can go home, and will be told not to leave their houses until the results are known.

Also on Wednesday, around 200 Americans - workers from the local US consulate and some US citizens - left the city.

According to CNN, the evacuees might have to stay in isolation in an airport hangar for up to two weeks.

The UK Foreign Office is arranging to evacuate some 200 British people who wanted to leave the area. But some UK citizens have criticised the government, claiming lack of support in returning home.

Separately, two aircraft to fly EU citizens home were scheduled, with 250 French nationals leaving on the first flight.

South Korea said some 700 of its citizens would leave on four flights this week.

It's unclear whether they will be quarantined, but South Korean media are reporting the government will cover all costs of infected patients. So far, the country has four confirmed cases of the virus.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong announced plans to slash cross-border travel between the city and mainland China.

Wuhan - as well as the wider Hubei province - is already effectively in a lockdown with strict transport restrictions.

What's the latest on the virus itself?

Confirmations of person-to-person transmission in Germany, Vietnam, Taiwan and Japan - as opposed to travellers bringing the virus from China - have heightened concern about the spread of the virus.

Leading Chinese respiratory expert Zhong Nanshan, who heads a team set up for the control and prevention of the virus, told Xinhua news agency: "I think in one week or about 10 days, it will reach the climax and then there will be no large-scale increases."

China agreed for the World Health Organization (WHO) to send international experts to the country.

President Xi met WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in Beijing and said: "The virus is a devil and we cannot let the devil hide."

A Beijing hospital built in seven days in 2003 for patients with symptoms of the Sars virus is being refurbished for the coronavirus outbreak, the South China Morning Post reported.

A similar hospital is being rapidly built in Wuhan.

According to the WHO and national authorities, there have been more than 60 confirmed cases outside China. The largest number is in Thailand, where there are 14.

Fears grow over human-to-human transmission
Analysis by Michelle Roberts, Health Editor, BBC News Online:

The news of more human-to-human cases of the new coronavirus will add to fears about how far this outbreak might spread. The latest cases in Japan and Germany suggest that anyone coming into close contact with another infected person could catch it.

It is thought people with symptoms, such as a cough and fever, will be the most contagious.

But experts have not ruled out that people with no obvious signs of infection could also pose a risk. And it can take more than a week for a person to develop symptoms.

The advice is to avoid close contact with people who are infected - that means keeping enough distance to avoid breathing air or touching surfaces contaminated with respiratory droplets from others carrying and shedding the virus.

Source:

Code:

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51290312

allworkboy · 29th January 2020, 08:04

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LongTimeLu · 29th January 2020, 09:27

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The latest cases in Japan and Germany suggest that anyone coming into close contact with another infected person could catch it.

I know it takes two weeks for symptoms to appear but only one case so far in Germany doesn't make this infectious and that quote from a once respected organisation is scare-mongering.

I'd be interested to know how close the German cases were: Commuters? Colleagues? Companions?

Still, it's safest to keep anyone who's been to China at arm's length.

Oooh! This morning there are four German colleagues reportedly infected.
Is it time to panic yet?

Fallon · 29th January 2020, 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex1

Honestly the use of intelligence and caution is not giving in to fear-mongering nor is it living my life in duck and cover manner. Nor is it choosing to be hysterical. Nor is it being foolish, The Spanish influenza killed what about 50 million people?

Duuuuuude.....the Spanish flu was in 1918. That's more than 100 (!!!) years ago! I guess it's fair to say, that mankind has come a long way since, eh?

Both in terms of medicine and hygiene, the year 2020 is nowhere near comparable to the primitive world of 1918, where large parts of Europe were as well hit hard by the economic aftermath of WW1.

What's next? are you trying to say, we can't trust the North Africans, using the Second Punic War as your prime example?

You are being hysteric, that's it.

29th January 2020, 01:03	#24
alex1 Registered User Clinically Insane Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,269 Thanks: 10,531 Thanked 8,826 Times in 2,397 Posts	Honestly the use of intelligence and caution is not giving in to fear-mongering nor is it living my life in duck and cover manner. Nor is it choosing to be hysterical. Nor is it being foolish, The Spanish influenza killed what about 50 million people? What I have said was simply we weren't being told the true rates of infection and the consequences of contracting the Corona virus. And yes people will die from it but I can't be so cavalier about it, especially when I know that it's victims will be elderly people, young people and people who already have health issues. My compassion doesn't allow me to be that way. Last edited by alex1; 29th January 2020 at 01:09.

29th January 2020, 07:21	#27
alexora Singin' in the Rain Beyond Redemption Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 28,192 Thanks: 151,500 Thanked 142,384 Times in 26,066 Posts	Latest news in: Coronavirus: Australia plans island quarantine as foreigners leave Wuhan Hundreds of foreign nationals have been evacuated from the Chinese city of Wuhan, the centre of the coronavirus outbreak, as more deaths and cases were confirmed. Australia plans to quarantine its 600 returning citizens for two weeks on Christmas Island - some 2,000km (1,200 miles) from the mainland. Japan, the US and the EU are also repatriating their citizens. President Xi Jinping called the virus a "devil" but said China would defeat it. An expert from the Chinese National Health Commission (NHC) said it could take 10 more days for the outbreak to peak. The number of deaths from the virus has risen to 132 in China, the NHC said on Wednesday. The virus is thought to have emerged from illegally traded wildlife at a seafood market in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province. It causes severe acute respiratory infection and there is no specific cure or vaccine. Meanwhile, Starbucks has closed half of its Chinese outlets, as the economic impact continues to grow. Who is being evacuated? Australian evacuees will be held on Christmas Island for two weeks, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said. The announcement sparked controversy as the island is best known as an immigration detention centre, which has been criticised for its conditions and alleged human rights violations. Currently only housing one Sri Lankan family of four, the facility was built to accommodate more than 1,000 people. New Zealand will cooperate with Canberra to bring its 53 citizens home alongside the Australian evacuees. Some 200 Japanese nationals have been flown from Wuhan and have landed at Tokyo's Haneda airport. Around 650 others said they wanted to be repatriated, and the Japanese government said new flights were being planned. According to Japanese media, several of the returnees were suffering from fever or coughs. All will be taken taken to hospital, regardless of whether they are showing symptoms. They will then be tested in a quarantine ward before they can go home, and will be told not to leave their houses until the results are known. Also on Wednesday, around 200 Americans - workers from the local US consulate and some US citizens - left the city. According to CNN, the evacuees might have to stay in isolation in an airport hangar for up to two weeks. The UK Foreign Office is arranging to evacuate some 200 British people who wanted to leave the area. But some UK citizens have criticised the government, claiming lack of support in returning home. Separately, two aircraft to fly EU citizens home were scheduled, with 250 French nationals leaving on the first flight. South Korea said some 700 of its citizens would leave on four flights this week. It's unclear whether they will be quarantined, but South Korean media are reporting the government will cover all costs of infected patients. So far, the country has four confirmed cases of the virus. Meanwhile, Hong Kong announced plans to slash cross-border travel between the city and mainland China. Wuhan - as well as the wider Hubei province - is already effectively in a lockdown with strict transport restrictions. What's the latest on the virus itself? Confirmations of person-to-person transmission in Germany, Vietnam, Taiwan and Japan - as opposed to travellers bringing the virus from China - have heightened concern about the spread of the virus. Leading Chinese respiratory expert Zhong Nanshan, who heads a team set up for the control and prevention of the virus, told Xinhua news agency: "I think in one week or about 10 days, it will reach the climax and then there will be no large-scale increases." China agreed for the World Health Organization (WHO) to send international experts to the country. President Xi met WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in Beijing and said: "The virus is a devil and we cannot let the devil hide." A Beijing hospital built in seven days in 2003 for patients with symptoms of the Sars virus is being refurbished for the coronavirus outbreak, the South China Morning Post reported. A similar hospital is being rapidly built in Wuhan. According to the WHO and national authorities, there have been more than 60 confirmed cases outside China. The largest number is in Thailand, where there are 14. Fears grow over human-to-human transmission Analysis by Michelle Roberts, Health Editor, BBC News Online: The news of more human-to-human cases of the new coronavirus will add to fears about how far this outbreak might spread. The latest cases in Japan and Germany suggest that anyone coming into close contact with another infected person could catch it. It is thought people with symptoms, such as a cough and fever, will be the most contagious. But experts have not ruled out that people with no obvious signs of infection could also pose a risk. And it can take more than a week for a person to develop symptoms. The advice is to avoid close contact with people who are infected - that means keeping enough distance to avoid breathing air or touching surfaces contaminated with respiratory droplets from others carrying and shedding the virus. Source: Code: http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51290312 __________________ SOME OF MY CONTENT POSTS ARE DOWN: FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME AND I'LL RE-UPLOAD THEM

28th January 2020, 21:53	#21
alex1 Registered User Clinically Insane Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,269 Thanks: 10,531 Thanked 8,826 Times in 2,397 Posts	It's just simple math, epidemiology and biology. An infected person who even if there are careful will spread the virus to at least 3 people. And this virus can be spread by people who are asymptomatic. The virus is expelled every time an infected person breathes, so anyone in a 3-6 feet radius can become exposed. It will take months not days in order to come up with some vaccine. So there is no cure now, if you have a healthy immune system you can fight it off. if your elderly, sick or young, it is dangerous. I have said that for over a week now that the virus was more serious than we were being told. Because the rate of infection numbers just were wrong. While the WHO and other governments have said it's no big deal. It's scary.

29th January 2020, 01:21	#25
pearldiver6 Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 547 Thanks: 1,244 Thanked 1,099 Times in 388 Posts	Back in the late 80's I knew a fellow who worked in a testing lab who said they expected the hiv virus to become an airborne variant in a few months. Thankfully he/they were wrong, so far as we know. How does that relate to the current issue? Not at all I guess. The curious thing to me is how it always seems to be framed as "We're fucked!" on the one hand various govt. sources saying, "Yes, the shit load of dioxin was released, but there was never any danger." Kind of like when Reagan was president in the US and they kept talking about the gaps...missile gap, chemical weapons gap, and on and on, without addressing the gap between his ears. But, the issue I have been told with China always being blamed for the next up and coming flu strain is that in China there are many folks who live in closely alongside livestock and or birds. And that allows human and animal viruses to meet, greet, and mutate. Some might say, "Hey bud, you just described a farm!" But I mean in a more familial type setting. Like some folks have and keep a few pigs or fowl at home. Perhaps I am misinformed. In any case, China always seems to get the blame for the latest and greatest new flu strains.

29th January 2020, 04:48	#26
Eurynomos Spandex Angels Stalker Forum Lord Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: México Posts: 1,148 Thanks: 141 Thanked 2,902 Times in 862 Posts	HIV virus was more like a biological weapon against LGBT rights movement than a pandemic, anthrax and mad cows was more like terrorist propaganda and now this is more like an economic attack against USA-China new agreements...a nuclear war against nations one each other to a global one its more possible, Euromaidan 2014 was the neareast moment for it.

29th January 2020, 08:04	#28
allworkboy Registered User Clinically Insane Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 2,834 Thanks: 6,894 Thanked 8,529 Times in 2,505 Posts	I won't be kissing girls until this is over.