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Love Buzz · 23rd October 2019, 16:20

I feel ROH/MLW/Impact are all in the same boat fighting each other but for who exactly. You got the big budget fans that are already swamped with AEW and WWE, if they watch all they put out on TV and YouTube, so they don't want more typically. Those avoiding the empire I feel are most likely to pick New Japan for it's match quality and NWA for it's fresh oldness lol to go with AEW. It leaves those three I mentioned to pick from the scraps.

ROH have PCO, whose contract is up soon so who knows, I haven't watched it in forever. He's still somewhat intriguing cause those mad wrestlers are for some reason lol. Impact have Tessa and I suppose Brian Cage. I watched BFGlory out of a curiosity, it is their Mania. I thought it was OK but consensus is it mostly sucked. And MLW have I suppose Teddy Hart, MJF, LA Park. It's decent, I watch it, but it can feel like a chore at times. Not sure if I'll watch Impact weekly, think I would if it was an hour, two is pushing it. ROH may as well sell even though they ironically have multi million owners in Sinclair who don't seem to give a crap. I don't think anybody has an answer for how ROH can turn it around and garner some interest.

talltrekkie · 23rd October 2019, 20:53

I've never watched ROH, but it seems to me like they got completely blindsided by the AEW announcement combined with the loss of the Bucks after having done, I think, a lot of the backstage grunt work for All Out.

Looking at tonight, I got SCU and the Lucha Bros going forward in the tag tournament. PAC and Moxley is going to be a treat although I suspect at least Kenny will show up sometime during it.

Love Buzz · 25th October 2019, 14:53

AEW was a bit weird this week. Started with the hot match where they do everything and then the rest paled in comparison. Having an ending where the crowd is booing a finish is not a good look. And then to top it off Moxley essentially burying the company for having time limits. Not great. It kinda buries the main event slot for TV since that will always be the most constrained, where as NXT have an overrun.

It reminded me of a wwe ppv, where they have a hot match to start and you think this is great, but ends up where the crowd doesn't care about the rest if it pales, that is until the main event, and then they have a crappy finish. Wasn't quite like that though as the crowd were still there but if this was wwe, they'd have been sitting on their hands.

Why did they save a draw for the main event, I can't see how that's a good idea. They should have restructured and went off the air with the chaos brawl between the Rhodes group and Inner Circle.

talltrekkie · 25th October 2019, 17:09

I think a draw for Mox and PAC makes sense, PAC is still unbeaten in singles and can be the next challenger for the belt while Moxley is still a strong obstacle for Kenny to overcome and stop his funk. A draw keeps both guys strong without having a smoz finish like a certain other company does all the time and they keep mentioning the time limit so they gotta have a match hit it eventually. Mox can explain the 'Time limit, my ass' as him being an intensely passionate competitor who was unhappy he didn't get a win.

Ending with the brawl would have worked, but I think they're trying to not have a talk/interview segment be last on the show as that's another thing that happens all the time in the other company. A good brawl, a bit surprising they used DDP and not Hangman.

Love Buzz · 25th October 2019, 18:13

You summed it all up well. I needed to read that. I fell on my over emotional horse shit because of the fans in attendance being so pissy, it's infectious. I didn't even think about Hangman, I guess they went for the marginal ratings spike and pop.

talltrekkie · 26th October 2019, 04:12

OK, so an 'extended cut' of this week's Dynamite just finished with it's 5 minutes of overrun(which I switched to after Smackdown so I only saw the overrun). After Mox says his line in the camera that ended Wednesday's show, PAC hits him from behind and sets him up for a Black Arrow with Mox's neck in a chair. Out comes Kenny to run him off and Mox is wary but saved. PAC is backing up the ramp and runs into Hangman Page, PAC eventually goes off into the crowd and Hangman tells him they have a match at Full Gear(or whatever the PPV is called).

talltrekkie · 26th October 2019, 05:02

And Jake Hager's fight ended as a no contest due to an inadvertent strike to the groin(not Jake's). Thank god he's not still in WWE or Vince would turn that into a gimmick so fast...

Lando Griffin · 26th October 2019, 06:40

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Originally Posted by Love Buzz

Ivelisse was in the Casino Battle Royal for the AEW All Out Buy In show. Where that leads who knows..

Good to hear about Ivelisse. So far I haven't been all that impressed with AEW's women's division, so maybe she'll turn up there full time.

Do you happen to know what became of Son of Havoc and Marty the Moth from Lucha Underground?

Love Buzz · 26th October 2019, 17:04

Son of Havoc (Matt Cross) is on the indy scene in many different promotions.

Marty the Moth (Martin Casaus) judging from the imdb looks to be doing some acting and the indy scene.

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And Jake Hager's fight ended as a no contest due to an inadvertent strike to the groin

I read a quick summary on that and it sounded sketchy. He just stuck to a certain method and it sounded like it wasn't really paying off. Think he may have been in over his head and managed to get away with it but I don't have much a clue about MMA.

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'extended cut' of this week's Dynamite just finished with it's 5 minutes of overrun

Ugh, I hope that isn't a trend, don't like that sort of thing but at least it's convenient after SD. I heard Meltzer talk about it along with fucking spoilers for Dark. Idk why they do that and don't even give warning. Hangman and PAC doesn't really do anything for me. Is it a no 1 contender match or is that Kenny and Moxley, or more likely the respective winners will face off for the no 1 contender spot. Or maybe we'll get a fucked finish cause like 50 guys are involved and Cody will face him again... unless they ban faction members from ringside which would be nice.

talltrekkie · 26th October 2019, 17:33

Hangman made it sound like it's a de facto rubber match since he pinned PAC last week and previously PAC had won(after hitting him in the balls). Right now, I'd have Mox and PAC win on PPV to setup a rematch that doubles as #1 contenders.

I thought I saw somewhere that AEW is going to release rankings for all divisions right before Full Gear to aim in determining who gets title shots. Which would possibly torpedo my idea.

Hopefully they go with the '1 person in the corner' thing that Cody-Spears had for Cody-Jericho. Could be used to setup a Hager-Dustin match or something since Brandi has said she's stepping away from that for now, possibly to begin setting her up as a wrestler again. It could be MJF cornering Cody again, but Hager-MJF doesn't sound interesting.

23rd October 2019, 16:20	#11
Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,152 Thanks: 5,476 Thanked 11,248 Times in 2,500 Posts	I feel ROH/MLW/Impact are all in the same boat fighting each other but for who exactly. You got the big budget fans that are already swamped with AEW and WWE, if they watch all they put out on TV and YouTube, so they don't want more typically. Those avoiding the empire I feel are most likely to pick New Japan for it's match quality and NWA for it's fresh oldness lol to go with AEW. It leaves those three I mentioned to pick from the scraps. ROH have PCO, whose contract is up soon so who knows, I haven't watched it in forever. He's still somewhat intriguing cause those mad wrestlers are for some reason lol. Impact have Tessa and I suppose Brian Cage. I watched BFGlory out of a curiosity, it is their Mania. I thought it was OK but consensus is it mostly sucked. And MLW have I suppose Teddy Hart, MJF, LA Park. It's decent, I watch it, but it can feel like a chore at times. Not sure if I'll watch Impact weekly, think I would if it was an hour, two is pushing it. ROH may as well sell even though they ironically have multi million owners in Sinclair who don't seem to give a crap. I don't think anybody has an answer for how ROH can turn it around and garner some interest.

23rd October 2019, 20:53	#12
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 573 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 779 Times in 318 Posts	I've never watched ROH, but it seems to me like they got completely blindsided by the AEW announcement combined with the loss of the Bucks after having done, I think, a lot of the backstage grunt work for All Out. Looking at tonight, I got SCU and the Lucha Bros going forward in the tag tournament. PAC and Moxley is going to be a treat although I suspect at least Kenny will show up sometime during it.

25th October 2019, 14:53	#13
Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,152 Thanks: 5,476 Thanked 11,248 Times in 2,500 Posts	AEW was a bit weird this week. Started with the hot match where they do everything and then the rest paled in comparison. Having an ending where the crowd is booing a finish is not a good look. And then to top it off Moxley essentially burying the company for having time limits. Not great. It kinda buries the main event slot for TV since that will always be the most constrained, where as NXT have an overrun. It reminded me of a wwe ppv, where they have a hot match to start and you think this is great, but ends up where the crowd doesn't care about the rest if it pales, that is until the main event, and then they have a crappy finish. Wasn't quite like that though as the crowd were still there but if this was wwe, they'd have been sitting on their hands. Why did they save a draw for the main event, I can't see how that's a good idea. They should have restructured and went off the air with the chaos brawl between the Rhodes group and Inner Circle.

25th October 2019, 17:09	#14
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 573 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 779 Times in 318 Posts	I think a draw for Mox and PAC makes sense, PAC is still unbeaten in singles and can be the next challenger for the belt while Moxley is still a strong obstacle for Kenny to overcome and stop his funk. A draw keeps both guys strong without having a smoz finish like a certain other company does all the time and they keep mentioning the time limit so they gotta have a match hit it eventually. Mox can explain the 'Time limit, my ass' as him being an intensely passionate competitor who was unhappy he didn't get a win. Ending with the brawl would have worked, but I think they're trying to not have a talk/interview segment be last on the show as that's another thing that happens all the time in the other company. A good brawl, a bit surprising they used DDP and not Hangman.

25th October 2019, 18:13	#15
Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,152 Thanks: 5,476 Thanked 11,248 Times in 2,500 Posts	You summed it all up well. I needed to read that. I fell on my over emotional horse shit because of the fans in attendance being so pissy, it's infectious. I didn't even think about Hangman, I guess they went for the marginal ratings spike and pop.

26th October 2019, 04:12	#16
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 573 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 779 Times in 318 Posts	OK, so an 'extended cut' of this week's Dynamite just finished with it's 5 minutes of overrun(which I switched to after Smackdown so I only saw the overrun). After Mox says his line in the camera that ended Wednesday's show, PAC hits him from behind and sets him up for a Black Arrow with Mox's neck in a chair. Out comes Kenny to run him off and Mox is wary but saved. PAC is backing up the ramp and runs into Hangman Page, PAC eventually goes off into the crowd and Hangman tells him they have a match at Full Gear(or whatever the PPV is called).

26th October 2019, 05:02	#17
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 573 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 779 Times in 318 Posts	And Jake Hager's fight ended as a no contest due to an inadvertent strike to the groin(not Jake's). Thank god he's not still in WWE or Vince would turn that into a gimmick so fast...

26th October 2019, 17:33	#20
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 573 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 779 Times in 318 Posts	Hangman made it sound like it's a de facto rubber match since he pinned PAC last week and previously PAC had won(after hitting him in the balls). Right now, I'd have Mox and PAC win on PPV to setup a rematch that doubles as #1 contenders. I thought I saw somewhere that AEW is going to release rankings for all divisions right before Full Gear to aim in determining who gets title shots. Which would possibly torpedo my idea. Hopefully they go with the '1 person in the corner' thing that Cody-Spears had for Cody-Jericho. Could be used to setup a Hager-Dustin match or something since Brandi has said she's stepping away from that for now, possibly to begin setting her up as a wrestler again. It could be MJF cornering Cody again, but Hager-MJF doesn't sound interesting.