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[Karmafan]

Flair was one of the greatest in his prime because for years he was the ideal heel backed by a stable of other heels called the Four Horsemen. The things he and his crew did in the ring as heels was legendary. He was so hated people in the audience wanted to kill him and the heel heat he got blew the roof off the building.

The problerm with Flair (IMHO) is he stayed too long in the ring. Years after guys his age were bookers and agents he was still wrestling each night. He should have become a heel manager or something similar. He lived the rock star lifestyle and prolly had to keep wrestling just to pay his bills with nothing saved for retirement.

[Absent Friend]

Originally Posted by Psycho Man

Oh goodness, she was the one that said her favorite match was Alicia Fox vs. Melina. Tough Enough, nearing elimination, Stone Cold I think facepalmed. At least he would've. Speaking of Cameron.

Cameron allegedly tried bribing a police officer with $10,000 after she was arrested for DUI last week in Tampa Bay, Florida.

The police report says Cameron had a blood alcohol content of .20, more than twice the legal limit in Florida. Cameron allegedly offered one of the officers $10,000 to “let her go because she would lose her job.”

Police say that Cameron had a male passenger in the car, who told them the two of them had been drinking martinis before driving home.

A representative for WWE issued a statement saying:

“Ariane [Cameron] did not alert us to this matter, we are investigating and will take appropriate action.”

Source: TMZ.com

Originally Posted by Psycho Man

hahahaha

Originally Posted by lonewolfz28

Has Sandow even lost yet? I know he got squashed by DX, but I don't remember him losing in a regular match. If not, I wonder if they're going to end his streak or put him over dirty in a non-title match.

I've read the spoilers and all I will say is he doesn't suffer the Dolph Ziggler brogue kick curse.

Does he win? maybe Does he lose? maybe

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Colin was talking about Shawn Michaels gushing earlier and how great Kane is. Here is the Badd Blood 1997 - Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker ( first ever hell in a cell match). Shawn gushes and Kane makes his debut, it all fits. ''That's gotta be Kane''

You should check this match out if you have never seen it before.

http://***************/files/949835545/Bad Blood 1997 Undertaker VS Shawn Michaels Hell In A Cell Part 1.mp4

http://***************/files/1746220918/Bad Blood 1997 Undertaker VS Shawn Michaels Hell In A Cell Part 2.mp4

http://***************/files/4177735204/Bad Blood 1997 Undertaker VS Shawn Michaels Hell In A Cell Part 3.mp4

[lonewolfz28]

As far as not enough talent to pull off a 3 hour program goes, I don't agree. The WWE currently has ~45 males and ~8 females that are listed as active on their roster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_personnel

And that's not counting the developmental wrestlers that could step up to a match or two on RAW or Smackdown.

Even if they put on six, 10-min matches per hour (never happen, but this is a worst case scenario), that would be 18 matches requiring at least 36 wrestlers. Throw in a couple tag team matches and it's up to 40. They still have plenty on the roster since many of the same wrestlers are on both Raw and Smackdown now.

WWE's problem (and TNA's) is they push certain story lines too much and rely on too many recaps, promos and skits as filler. That way they don't have to pay as much in appearance fees.

[Absent Friend]

CM Punk addressed rumors that he bladed himself on Monday's Raw main event which saw a rare incident of blood. Punk tweeted, "500k fine. Drop in the bucket. Bucket of blood!" Punk tweeted. "And, yes, I have more power than you could possibly imagine. I paid Charles Robinson's fine. #respect"

[phcavan]

was reading the HHH V Brock the rematch could be at WM in april....

Originally Posted by lonewolfz28

As far as not enough talent to pull off a 3 hour program goes, I don't agree. The WWE currently has ~45 males and ~8 females that are listed as active on their roster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_personnel

And that's not counting the developmental wrestlers that could step up to a match or two on RAW or Smackdown.

Even if they put on six, 10-min matches per hour (never happen, but this is a worst case scenario), that would be 18 matches requiring at least 36 wrestlers. Throw in a couple tag team matches and it's up to 40. They still have plenty on the roster since many of the same wrestlers are on both Raw and Smackdown now.

WWE's problem (and TNA's) is they push certain story lines too much and rely on too many recaps, promos and skits as filler. That way they don't have to pay as much in appearance fees.

Here are WWE's real problems, at least as I see it:
1-Vince's Big Man Crush. Vince refuses to give cruisers/Jr. Heavyweights much of a chance because he believes bigger guys are more durable and less injury-prone. Perhaps true to some extent but it's also alienating a lot of fans (especially international ones) and wasting some otherwise-elite talent (Sin Cara, who as Mistico was a legend in Mexico and a perennial Top 10 wrestler in the world, at least in PWI's eyes). Which is partly why I fear the worst for one of their newest big-name international signings-Pac (a high-flying Jr. Heavyweight from England who mainly competed in Japan for Dragon Gate). The 'E won't let him do his high-flying repertoire that has garnered hum a huge fanbase and lots of accolades, sad because he's one of those "poetry in motion" guys who is a real treat to watch.

2-Divas. Fans are so tired of them because they don't wrestle. Sorry, but I don't consider hair-pulling and hair-toss-throwing to be wrestling. Why if I want women's wrestling, I watch joshi puroresu (Japanese women). They actually wrestle and look good too. I could say the same for the TNA Knockouts. (Speaking of which, the latest Diva in trouble is Cameron, one of Brodus Clay's dancers. Busted for DUI, supposedly .20. Somebody Call Her Mama)

3-John Cena. I'm firmly in the John Cena Sucks camp, and am tired of him always being at the top and being endlessly pushed down our throats. Maybe that's why I'm happy that, for now at least, he's taking a backseat to Punk & Danielson. Cena is not Sliced Bread #3 (my term). Just little more than Vince's "Corporate Champion" creation.

4-Drugs/doping/roids. See Randy Orton and, to a lesser extent, Rey Mysterio. But unfortunately that's the toll the WWE schedule takes on you. Outside of WWE & TNA, if you compete outside of North America the schedules are such that at least every few weeks you'll get anywhere from a week to over a month off. You're lucky to get a day a week in WWE and that's probably a travel day.

50 greatest finishing moves in WWE history...

http://***************/files/3344602147/GM1.mp4

[SaintsDecay]

On the subject of Punk blading himself, I honestly like it. It's a good show of initiative and that he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty. A $500K fine, though? Jesus fuck, that's steep.

Originally Posted by Karmafan

The problem is they have no depth (not for a 3 hour RAW and Smackdown as well) and don't elevate any credible main eventers on the horizon. WWE wants to make the massive profits and gets the ratings but they don't want to have enough guys on the roster. RAW gives us 1 tag team a week (maybe 2 if its a gimmick match), 1 Diva match, and a few other matches around guys we have seen wrestle each other a million times. Add to that skits and lots of recaps and you get our weekly RAW is Recaps show. The product is just stale.

Agreed. The WWE is at the top of the industry, and looking at their roster and storylines, one can only think that habit is their reason for this. As fans, we so rarely see truly phenomenal matches, and we get so little out of the product, but we're dragged along from week to week hoping something big will happen. We download (or watch) episodes out of habit, and not because we like what we see.

Originally Posted by OutOfMind

I agree, WWE needs to take away the microphones and let these guys wrestle.

On that, I completely disagree. Part of the art of professional wrestling is using mics to illicit a response. Not only are wrestlers expected to be athletes, but they're expected to be speakers. I like that, I like seeing charisma and reasoning from both sides-- if I didn't, I would turn around and watch UFC. It's part of the product that you just can't take away. I don't watch wrestling for the wrestling.

Originally Posted by Alan Kellerman

I'm a gambler and I wouldn't.

You lose a few bets to me and now you're a gambler?

Haha, well, this is one bet that I wouldn't take. I've seen how the WWE wastes talent for too long and too often.

Originally Posted by Karmafan

The problerm with Flair (IMHO) is he stayed too long in the ring. Years after guys his age were bookers and agents he was still wrestling each night. He should have become a heel manager or something similar. He lived the rock star lifestyle and prolly had to keep wrestling just to pay his bills with nothing saved for retirement.

This is actually the truth. It wasn't just his reckless spending, though-- he didn't pay his taxes for years and years and it finally caught up to him. His wages are still being garnished.

Originally Posted by asianpornlover

3-John Cena. I'm firmly in the John Cena Sucks camp, and am tired of him always being at the top and being endlessly pushed down our throats. Maybe that's why I'm happy that, for now at least, he's taking a backseat to Punk & Danielson. Cena is not Sliced Bread #3 (my term). Just little more than Vince's "Corporate Champion" creation.

A-fucking-men.