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SaintsDecay · 16th January 2012, 04:58

I loved the Punk/Hardy feud. I was always into both men, and I thought they carried it well.

I'm a big Jeff Hardy fan and always have been, mostly because I could relate so well with his character. I like him as a face, but I love him as a heel. I realize that he was high out of his mind, but the gimmick he had right before he was dismissed was fucking awesome-- one of his best variations by far.

Matt, on the other hand, sucks. I'm sure he could've evolved into something worthwhile if given the chances that Jeff was, but after the Hardy Boys, Jeff carried his ass and still is. He struck me as quite the undeserving douchebag too, so I'm sure that calculated into Vince's thinking. TNA really didn't think much more of him either apparently. I mean, 'Cold Blooded'? What the hell was that? I've never heard him cut a decent promo, but that was one for the history books.

Karmafan · 16th January 2012, 05:02

Size has nothing to do with who is a world champ? So basically the Miz vs. Big Show for the world championship is the match. Its totally believeable that the Miz beats Big Show? Or Ray Mysterio beats HHH or the Undertaker? How about Hornswaggle vs. Kane?

Cruiserweight or X-division (TNA) guys as world champs just are not believable to me. Perhaps they can beat another guy their size to win it or defend the strap but they can't carry the company for a long period of time.

burtog · 16th January 2012, 05:18

I liked Jeff Hardy when he was nearly killing himself off of ladders, but in general, he was among my least favorite main eventers/superstars of the past 10-20 years. I, like SaintsDecay & Colin_Work, liked his feud with CM Punk; but I honestly only liked it because Punk was calling him out on him being a junky that was more deserving of boos from the fans than cheers.

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Size has nothing to do with who is a world champ? So basically the Miz vs. Big Show for the world championship is the match. Its totally believeable that the Miz beats Big Show? Or Ray Mysterio beats HHH or the Undertaker? How about Hornswaggle vs. Kane?

Cruiserweight or X-division (TNA) guys as world champs just are not believable to me. Perhaps they can beat another guy their size to win it or defend the strap but they can't carry the company for a long period of time.

You're not honestly comparing a literal midget to a guy like Miz that still weighs 225 or 230 pounds, are you?

Both in real life (e.g. the early UFC fights, where Royce Gracie would choke out guys that were bigger & stronger than him without breaking a sweat) and in the world of pro wrestling (where Savage could beat Hogan, or Flair could beat Dusty, or Michaels could beat Taker) it's been 'proven' that a smaller guy with the right skillset can beat a bigger guy.

Big Show has to carry 500 pounds around; in an actual fight, a smaller guy would just have to avoid him long enough to tire him out, and then it'd be a pretty unfair fight ... in the advantage of the small guy. Even in the world of pro wrestling, Big Show is very limited in what he can do and how long he can fight - a guy just has to tire him out and it's an easy win. Look at Khali: the guy's huge but can barely do ANYTHING physical. I'd say that like 2/3 of the WWE roster (and I'm probably under-exaggerating there) could take Khali in an actual fight.

Bigger =/= better.

FREAKZILLA · 16th January 2012, 09:38

The thing about Big men is that--that is what Vince likes. He
likes larger than life characters. Look at Khali he was a monster but yet
Vince kept him around. If a smaller dude wrestled that bad he would have been
gone in no time. As for Giants with the belt. Has anybody held the belt longer than
Andre did when he had it one time.

Colin_Work · 16th January 2012, 12:40

That's just it though...is it fair that a guy who wrestles like shit like Khali still has a job over a smaller guy who can actually work just because he's big? It's not...at all. Yeah, Vince has always had a big man fetish but history will show you, for every Andre the Giant there is dozens of great "small" workers like Punk, Flair and Guerrero. And as far as I know, Bruno Sammarntino(sp?) Held the belt for a long goddam time too.

burtog · 16th January 2012, 13:44

^ Yeah, Sammartino held it for like 7 years - and not long after that, won it again and held it for 4 more years.

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The thing about Big men is that--that is what Vince likes. He likes larger than life characters. Look at Khali he was a monster but yet Vince kept him around. If a smaller dude wrestled that bad he would have been gone in no time. As for Giants with the belt. Has anybody held the belt longer than Andre did when he had it one time.

Didn't Andre surrender the belt to Dibiase like 30 seconds after winning it? I'm not sure if it even counts as an actual title reign in the "WWE Universe".

And I always thought that Khali was kept around because he was super-popular in India, and it's a huge foreign market. I'm sure Vince would love to get a Yao Ming-type to help influence the China market.

16th January 2012, 17:53

Don't forget Mr Bob Backlund.

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size does matter, bitch

sorry, I missed out on the conversation and thought I'd give big poppa pump's view on the size situation. Not that I totally agree with him or anything. I just loved his promos.

*edit*

wow this is really strange.

I'm not calling it a spoiler because it is out there. New champions and not on tv

PRIMO AND EPICO ARE THE NEW WWE TAG TEAM CHAMPS!!!! - YouTube

SavageWolf · 16th January 2012, 19:54

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Originally Posted by burtog

I liked Jeff Hardy when he was nearly killing himself off of ladders, but in general, he was among my least favorite main eventers/superstars of the past 10-20 years. I, like SaintsDecay & Colin_Work, liked his feud with CM Punk; but I honestly only liked it because Punk was calling him out on him being a junky that was more deserving of boos from the fans than cheers.

You're not honestly comparing a literal midget to a guy like Miz that still weighs 225 or 230 pounds, are you?

Big Show has to carry 500 pounds around; in an actual fight, a smaller guy would just have to avoid him long enough to tire him out, and then it'd be a pretty unfair fight ... in the advantage of the small guy. Even in the world of pro wrestling, Big Show is very limited in what he can do and how long he can fight - a guy just has to tire him out and it's an easy win. Look at Khali: the guy's huge but can barely do ANYTHING physical. I'd say that like 2/3 of the WWE roster (and I'm probably under-exaggerating there) could take Khali in an actual fight.

Strategy for the little guy, just keep going out of the ring, when the big show follows, go back in the ring.

Moving while avoiding, right?

It would probably work better on Khali because of his knees.

Just a strategic move.
As for Hardy, it would be best for all involved if there was an approved accountant to make sure the money was spent wisely and not on "abusive" drugs.

There are athletes from decades ago that are now declaring bankruptcy and are suing the NFL for not watching out for the players abuses.
I am just saying, the things that happen in 1 pro sport, carry over into other sports.

SaintsDecay · 16th January 2012, 20:44

It's not the job of a company accountant to trace where money goes after the employee has been paid-- all TNA can do is put him on a working probation and randomly test for intoxicants. I'm sure they're smart enough to have done that already.

SavageWolf · 16th January 2012, 20:55

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It's not the job of a company accountant to trace where money goes after the employee has been paid-- all TNA can do is put him on a working probation and randomly test for intoxicants. I'm sure they're smart enough to have done that already.

You missed my point. If these guys, which represent the company cannot take care of themselves, then somebody needs to be mature and "adult" about their "off-work" habits. Employees get tested all the time. I think it is the Safest and best way to clean house. Put all those athletes in quarantine

. Look at what is happening to MLB, and Tour De France. If nobody can control these adults, then get rid of sports and their incomes.

Like what good does it do to fine the paid athlete $20,000 if his paycheck dwarfs that fine?

16th January 2012, 09:38	#3104
FREAKZILLA Registered User Postaholic Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,667 Thanks: 101,281 Thanked 34,460 Times in 8,207 Posts	The thing about Big men is that--that is what Vince likes. He likes larger than life characters. Look at Khali he was a monster but yet Vince kept him around. If a smaller dude wrestled that bad he would have been gone in no time. As for Giants with the belt. Has anybody held the belt longer than Andre did when he had it one time. __________________ EXOTIC CARS http://veterperementour.ru/t44598-exotic-cars.html TALLEST Pornstars http://veterperementour.ru/t388168-who-ar...pornstars.html

16th January 2012, 04:58	#3101
SaintsDecay Devil's Choir Postaholic Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 9,734 Thanks: 63,471 Thanked 67,932 Times in 9,412 Posts	I loved the Punk/Hardy feud. I was always into both men, and I thought they carried it well. I'm a big Jeff Hardy fan and always have been, mostly because I could relate so well with his character. I like him as a face, but I love him as a heel. I realize that he was high out of his mind, but the gimmick he had right before he was dismissed was fucking awesome-- one of his best variations by far. Matt, on the other hand, sucks. I'm sure he could've evolved into something worthwhile if given the chances that Jeff was, but after the Hardy Boys, Jeff carried his ass and still is. He struck me as quite the undeserving douchebag too, so I'm sure that calculated into Vince's thinking. TNA really didn't think much more of him either apparently. I mean, 'Cold Blooded'? What the hell was that? I've never heard him cut a decent promo, but that was one for the history books.

16th January 2012, 05:02	#3102
Karmafan Who Cut The Cheese? Beyond Redemption Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 11,387 Thanks: 39,606 Thanked 38,104 Times in 9,853 Posts	Size has nothing to do with who is a world champ? So basically the Miz vs. Big Show for the world championship is the match. Its totally believeable that the Miz beats Big Show? Or Ray Mysterio beats HHH or the Undertaker? How about Hornswaggle vs. Kane? Cruiserweight or X-division (TNA) guys as world champs just are not believable to me. Perhaps they can beat another guy their size to win it or defend the strap but they can't carry the company for a long period of time.

16th January 2012, 12:40	#3105
Colin_Work Registered User Addicted Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 284 Thanks: 106 Thanked 563 Times in 261 Posts	That's just it though...is it fair that a guy who wrestles like shit like Khali still has a job over a smaller guy who can actually work just because he's big? It's not...at all. Yeah, Vince has always had a big man fetish but history will show you, for every Andre the Giant there is dozens of great "small" workers like Punk, Flair and Guerrero. And as far as I know, Bruno Sammarntino(sp?) Held the belt for a long goddam time too.

16th January 2012, 20:44	#3109
SaintsDecay Devil's Choir Postaholic Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 9,734 Thanks: 63,471 Thanked 67,932 Times in 9,412 Posts	It's not the job of a company accountant to trace where money goes after the employee has been paid-- all TNA can do is put him on a working probation and randomly test for intoxicants. I'm sure they're smart enough to have done that already.