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Zytin · 28th January 2020, 02:03

BUR is Burbank airport. IFR is instrument flight rules, flying a plane by instruments when you can't see anything, by instruments only.

I watched the (brief) NTSB news conference:

My understanding: The helicopter was traveling South to North and needed to pass through BUR (Hollywood Burbank airport airspace). They circled 12 minutes before being given SVFR (Special Visual Flight Rules) clearance to fly through the airspace.

What NTSB said: SVFR allows an aircraft to proceed through controlled airspace at less than the basic VFR (Visual Flight Rules) minimums. Pilots can request SVFR when flying in controlled airspace, if flight by visual cues alone is not possible along their entire flight route. (He was to say in contact with the Tower)

***It seems to me you would be flying IFR in fog, since you can't see anything. But maybe he could see things before he got to BUR and thought the fog would clear after BUR, it got worse.

carolina73 · 28th January 2020, 15:43

The whole crash does not make much sense. He was at 2000 ft which is high enough to clear anything except one point that was off to the west and already behind him.
They told him that he was too low and then he banked and went up to 2400 feet before plunging.

It almost sounds like he was spooked or suddenly did not believe his instruments since the area he was about to cross is only about 1000 ft in elevation. Then again, what we are told in the beginning always seems to change.

allworkboy · 28th January 2020, 17:09

From the YouTube video, the pilot sounded she.

allworkboy · 29th January 2020, 00:11

This guy, who is a pilot, recreated the exact final flight path. What I don't understand is if it was so foggy that the pilot couldn't see, why they didn't go to a higher altitude above the fog and wait for the fog to clear or stay at the same altitude and hover hold in place until the fog clears?

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allworkboy · 29th January 2020, 00:39

I am watching that video and listening to the audio recording. My impression and understanding is each time you leave one area of the city to go into another area, you need special clearance, instructions and change frequency to talk to a different set of ATC. If flying cars for the masses ever become a reality, that 34 some thousands traffic fatalities from traffic accidents in the USA each year (2018 statistics) is going to look puny.

allworkboy · 29th January 2020, 00:54

At the end when they were following the freeway from an altitude of 500 feet and then they tried to get above the mountains that can be as high as 2800 feet. Looks like while gaining altitude, the pilot made a wrong turn and went left into the mountains instead of going right to continue following the freeway at a higher altitude.

WalterC · 29th January 2020, 19:05

He is a basketball legend for everything he gave on the court. Goodbye Kobe, Up to Heaven

alexora · 29th January 2020, 21:49

I am not a BB fan, and have never actually watched a full game from start to finish.

However, having read up on Kobe since his untimely demise, I am amazed by his achievements: 5 NBA championships (+ a huge range of records and side trophies), 2 Olympic Gold Medals, and one Academy Award Oscar.

Also, given that he spent an important part of his childhood in Italy, he was also fluent in Italian: he knew the language well, and also the culture of this peninsula.

This is him on Italian TV: he also used the hand gestures that are part of Italian non-verbal communication.

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Zytin · 30th January 2020, 15:14

Doorbell Cam Captures Chilling Audio of Kobe Bryant’s Crash

Local resident Ronna Leavitt has provided the 43-second clip to investigators in which the Sikorsky S-76B chopper can be heard flying above her housing complex in Calabasas before it crashes with a thud into the surrounding hillside and the recording falls silent.

Code:

http://thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryant-crash-audio-captured-on-doorbell-cam

***You'll have to go to Daily Beast to hear this. I couldn't find it on youtube. It's isn't much. I was bracing for a horrific explosion; not at all. What you can tell on the audio though is that there is no change in the engine sound before the crash.

I am not a helicopter pilot but his speed seems excessive to me given the conditions and flying VFR. I just think this is going to be all pilot error; poor judgement.

JerkNetVoyeur · 31st January 2020, 01:47

He was a great athlete in all aspects, Rest in peace

28th January 2020, 02:03	#21
Zytin Registered User Forum Lord Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 1,311 Thanks: 4,787 Thanked 4,284 Times in 1,217 Posts	BUR is Burbank airport. IFR is instrument flight rules, flying a plane by instruments when you can't see anything, by instruments only. I watched the (brief) NTSB news conference: My understanding: The helicopter was traveling South to North and needed to pass through BUR (Hollywood Burbank airport airspace). They circled 12 minutes before being given SVFR (Special Visual Flight Rules) clearance to fly through the airspace. What NTSB said: SVFR allows an aircraft to proceed through controlled airspace at less than the basic VFR (Visual Flight Rules) minimums. Pilots can request SVFR when flying in controlled airspace, if flight by visual cues alone is not possible along their entire flight route. (He was to say in contact with the Tower) **It seems to me you would be flying IFR in fog, since you can't see anything. But maybe he could see things before he got to BUR and thought the fog would clear after BUR, it got worse. Last edited by Zytin; 28th January 2020 at 02:14. Reason: spelling*

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Zytin Registered User Forum Lord Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 1,311 Thanks: 4,787 Thanked 4,284 Times in 1,217 Posts	Doorbell Cam Captures Chilling Audio of Kobe Bryant’s Crash Local resident Ronna Leavitt has provided the 43-second clip to investigators in which the Sikorsky S-76B chopper can be heard flying above her housing complex in Calabasas before it crashes with a thud into the surrounding hillside and the recording falls silent. Code: http://thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryant-crash-audio-captured-on-doorbell-cam **You'll have to go to Daily Beast to hear this. I couldn't find it on youtube. It's isn't much. I was bracing for a horrific explosion; not at all. What you can tell on the audio though is that there is no change in the engine sound before the crash. I am not a helicopter pilot but his speed seems excessive to me given the conditions and flying VFR. I just think this is going to be all* pilot error; poor judgement.

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carolina73 Registered User Addicted Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 585 Thanks: 1,616 Thanked 1,739 Times in 509 Posts	The whole crash does not make much sense. He was at 2000 ft which is high enough to clear anything except one point that was off to the west and already behind him. They told him that he was too low and then he banked and went up to 2400 feet before plunging. It almost sounds like he was spooked or suddenly did not believe his instruments since the area he was about to cross is only about 1000 ft in elevation. Then again, what we are told in the beginning always seems to change.

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allworkboy Registered User Clinically Insane Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 2,730 Thanks: 6,893 Thanked 8,723 Times in 2,513 Posts	From the YouTube video, the pilot sounded she.

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allworkboy Registered User Clinically Insane Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 2,730 Thanks: 6,893 Thanked 8,723 Times in 2,513 Posts	I am watching that video and listening to the audio recording. My impression and understanding is each time you leave one area of the city to go into another area, you need special clearance, instructions and change frequency to talk to a different set of ATC. If flying cars for the masses ever become a reality, that 34 some thousands traffic fatalities from traffic accidents in the USA each year (2018 statistics) is going to look puny.

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allworkboy Registered User Clinically Insane Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 2,730 Thanks: 6,893 Thanked 8,723 Times in 2,513 Posts	At the end when they were following the freeway from an altitude of 500 feet and then they tried to get above the mountains that can be as high as 2800 feet. Looks like while gaining altitude, the pilot made a wrong turn and went left into the mountains instead of going right to continue following the freeway at a higher altitude.

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