Apocalyptic Virus Or Not?

[alexora]

Originally Posted by BrewerJ

I’ve had and recovered from covid, my natural immunity is better than that of any vaccine. Why would I subject myself to potentially significant, although extremely rare, side effects for no upside benefit?

I have quite a few friends who have contracted CV-19 more than once: getting infected offers no guarantee that a re-infection will not take place.

BTW: all of them were unvaccinated.

Not scientific, just a subjective account of facts as I saw them.

[mental]

Originally Posted by BrewerJ

I prefer actual scientific sources

http://science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

medical studies are scientific sources.

you asked why to get vaccinated after having covid, That study you linked to confirms what the others said, people that had the virus and recovered were more protected if they got even a single shot of the vaccine.

"The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated."

Originally Posted by alexora

I have quite a few friends who have contracted CV-19 more than once: getting infected offers no guarantee that a re-infection will not take place.

BTW: all of them were unvaccinated.

Not scientific, just a subjective account of facts as I saw them.

I've actually had it twice myself. First was in Jan2020, it was the sickest I've been in my life. I was miserable for two weeks then it was another 2 weeks until I felt relatively normal. The second time was in Aug2021, I assume it was a variant. I was mildly sick for 2 days and was back to 100% after 4 days. I assume, much like the cold or flu this will be something we just deal with for the foreseeable future. I'll stick with what nature has given me. I'm all for vaccines in the right circumstances, we all have to make the right decision for ourselves. What I'm against is forcing people to take an unnecessary experimental vaccine and them firing them from their job and throwing them out of society if they decide it's not in their best interest. That is tyranny, we are edging toward authoritarian rule and most people are running toward it. If you rely on the government to solve all of your problems you're pretty much fucked.

[SynchroDub]

Originally Posted by BrewerJ

I've actually had it twice myself. First was in Jan2020, it was the sickest I've been in my life. I was miserable for two weeks then it was another 2 weeks until I felt relatively normal. The second time was in Aug2021, I assume it was a variant. I was mildly sick for 2 days and was back to 100% after 4 days. I assume, much like the cold or flu this will be something we just deal with for the foreseeable future. I'll stick with what nature has given me. I'm all for vaccines in the right circumstances, we all have to make the right decision for ourselves. What I'm against is forcing people to take an unnecessary experimental vaccine and them firing them from their job and throwing them out of society if they decide it's not in their best interest. That is tyranny, we are edging toward authoritarian rule and most people are running toward it. If you rely on the government to solve all of your problems you're pretty much fucked.

Consider yourself lucky that you managed to get through it 2 times.
Those with a weak immune system, or with other grave ailments, unfortunately they didn't made it. And they're millions around the world, not just thousands.

My 79yo Aunt was in the hospital for almost a month, and with an oxygen tube all the time. This was when we still didn't had any vaccine available.
She does have a weak immune system due to her heart problems, but she DID get the vaccine, eventually. And she's doing just fine

I hear you when you say that this feels like tyranny. Matter of fact, I was always against any sort of dictatorship.
But, in this case, if we ALL wanna finally end this shit for once and all, we have to co-operate with our institutions and governments.
Otherwise we will always be back to where it all started, and we all gonna always be subject to some restrictions.

I just heard from my Aunt in Australia. And the situation, there, is just catastrophic.
They cannot travel overseas or even have foreigners (vaccinated or not) enter the country, they can only shop at a grocery shop that's nearby, they cannot make more than 5km and most businesses have closed down.
It's just that bad, really.

This pandemic definitely had a HUGE impact on our social, emotional, mental and economical health. And we're all extremely exhausted and pissed off by all of this.
That's why, in order to get back live a sort of "normal" life, we have to do whatever it takes to fight this damn virus.

The vaccines, here in Italy and in all the EU, are no longer considered "experimental". They're effective "drugs" to protect people from dying or get hospitalized due to COVID.
They work, and the number of people who died from them are an extremely low percentage, compared to the millions of people who died of COVID.

Even some hardcore No-Vaxxers, in the end, they got their shot after they got COVID. And some of them regret not having done so earlier.
This is not fiction. It's all real.

[SynchroDub]

Originally Posted by alexora

I have quite a few friends who have contracted CV-19 more than once: getting infected offers no guarantee that a re-infection will not take place.

BTW: all of them were unvaccinated.

Not scientific, just a subjective account of facts as I saw them.

It's just flirting with Death. And I had a couple of friends who went through that, and they're still not vaccinated, yet.

You might make it the first or the second time. But there's no guarantee that you're gonna make it the third or the fourth time.
You're just exposing yourself to a great danger by refusing to get vaccinated, as this virus knows no age, time or ailment.

For now, only the vaccines seem to have a sort of certainty. But the virus definitely not.

[HiTrack99]

Yet the UK has 50,000 cases a day now.

Originally Posted by SynchroDub

I hear you when you say that this feels like tyranny. Matter of fact, I was always against any sort of dictatorship.
But, in this case, if we ALL wanna finally end this shit for once and all, we have to co-operate with our institutions and governments.
Otherwise we will always be back to where it all started, and we all gonna always be subject to some restrictions.

That's why, in order to get back live a sort of "normal" life, we have to do whatever it takes to fight this damn virus.

Even some hardcore No-Vaxxers, in the end, they got their shot after they got COVID. And some of them regret not having done so earlier.
This is not fiction. It's all real.

The fact is that anyone vaxed or not can get covid and pass it on to others. When I get it I know, because I get sick. When that happens I stay home and stay away from people. When a vaxed person gets covid they may not even know it, go to work and spread it to hundreds of others. There is a reason the number of deaths and cases keep going up. There are a bunch of people spreading it around because they have no idea they even have it.

I am not antivax, I'm anti mandate and I am 100% for body autonomy. Covid will never kill me no matter how many times I get it, unless it's in 40yrs when I'm 85, by then I'll be ready to go.

[SynchroDub]

Originally Posted by BrewerJ

The fact is that anyone vaxed or not can get covid and pass it on to others. When I get it I know, because I get sick. When that happens I stay home and stay away from people. When a vaxed person gets covid they may not even know it, go to work and spread it to hundreds of others. There is a reason the number of deaths and cases keep going up. There are a bunch of people spreading it around because they have no idea they even have it.

I am not antivax, I'm anti mandate and I am 100% for body autonomy. Covid will never kill me no matter how many times I get it, unless it's in 40yrs when I'm 85, by then I'll be ready to go.

Deaths due to COVID have been literally decreased (only 30-40 people a day die, now, compared to last year.....and most of them are not vaccinated), here in Italy. And we only have, like, 2500 or so cases a day, now.
Mind you. The 80% of the population got vaccinated, and people definitely started to take safety measures more seriously. That's why we also don't have a huge number of deaths.

The only things we have now are just daily strikes and protests, both from people who are anti-mandate as well vaccinated people.
The introduction of the mandatory COVID passport, even for working purposes, definitely caused a lot of anger, even between people who adapted and used to work from home and are forced, now, to go to work.
There are just so many pissed off people around the world, vaccinated or not.
Also it doesn't help the fact that our governments are constantly increasing taxes as well prices for electricity, gas, food and other important amenities.
If people had easy access to weapons, as people in America have, we would probably had people with rocket launchers and AK-47s, standing outside the government buildings.
People are just that pissed off, myself included.

Apparently, the only ones who did not suffered the effects of this pandemic are millionaires and celebrities. And we see this on TV mostly everyday.
But the rest definitely struggle to make it through the month, or have either lost their jobs or became homeless overnight.

Yeah. Let's just focus on shithead Elon Musk, space travels and other multi-millionaires shit-toys.
Apparently they're much more important than trying to fix the fucked-up economy our countries have.

My thoughts goes to all the wonderful people in the UK.
You definitely deserved a much more efficient Administration, fellas.

[HiTrack99]

We had 223 today (deaths from COVID in the last 28 days)

[BungyBang]

To many people losing their love ones every single day, stay safe guys !