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Old 30th September 2021, 07:21   #2791
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Lol, censorship by our overlords at it’s finest. Carry on gents, you da man.
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They first said that both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines had an effectiveness rate of 90-94% against COVID and the Delta variant (and the results are showing, with only 50 people dying on a daily basis, here in Italy).
How come some scientists from Israel say otherwise (only 64% of effectiveness)?

I still don't get this whole discrepancy, to be honest, and I hate the fact that we have to "rely" and see/hear what Israel do and say about the vaccines, and make plans according to them.

How about some independence?
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They first said that both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines had an effectiveness rate of 90-94% against COVID and the Delta variant (and the results are showing, with only 50 people dying on a daily basis, here in Italy).
How come some scientists from Israel say otherwise (only 64% of effectiveness)?
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"that’s what’s known as a point estimate. It’s not a precise prediction for the general public, because trials can only look at a limited number of people[...]"

Just search for "What Do Vaccine Efficacy Numbers Actually Mean?".

It's perfectly normal for scientists to disagree. Otherwise we'd still be on a flat planet on the back of a turtle in the smack center of all existence.
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"that’s what’s known as a point estimate. It’s not a precise prediction for the general public, because trials can only look at a limited number of people[...]"

Just search for "What Do Vaccine Efficacy Numbers Actually Mean?".

It's perfectly normal for scientists to disagree. Otherwise we'd still be on a flat planet on the back of a turtle in the smack center of all existence.
Just wanted to add that the different percentage makes nothing but sense here. It's obvious when you take a minute and think.
After all we are comparing results of (extremely expedited) clinical trials, with the results from a nationwide roll out. That's data from thousands vs millions of inoculations.
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US population in 1918: 103.2 million
US population in 2021: 333.4 million

Math is so hard for the layman to understand. Zero deaths last year for anything other than covid. 62,000 died from flu in 2019. No heart disease, no cancer, no flu deaths in 2020.

US mortality rate in 2019: 715/100,000
US mortality rate in 2020: 828/100,000

That’s 375,000 additional deaths in a population of 333.4 million. That’s an increase in death of 0.11%, hardly worth destroying the worlds economy.

Math is a hell of a thing when you understand how it works.

This is not about preventing death, it is about subjugation, feality and forced obedience. Ask Australia how they’re doing.
Other lies mixed with truths.
Read Mental's reply. Millions of people died of other causes in 2020.
And again, you are NOT looking at the right numbers:
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Deaths are sad and all, but what's more important is the number of serious cases, people who need to be hospitalized.
In the USA there are 19000 people ill with Corona occupying 19 THOUSAND beds and requiring medical attention.
The danger is always the same: clogging the national health system and not having beds and doctors enough for people with other pathologies or victims of incidents.
Lockdowns are implemented to prevent this, or worse (remember when USA had 200 thousand hospitalized with CoViD?), not for "subjugation, fealty and forced obedience".

[Note that health insurance wasn't a thing in 1918 USA. And the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was made only thirty years later. Poor people were likely to die of the Spanish influenza at home or on the streets.
Now denying medical assistance to an insured client would be breaching of contract and a violation of his right to healthcare and even the right to live.
US mortality rate in 2020: 828/100,000... Aaaand... what would that number had been without masks, lockdowns and a national health system? Three times higher? More than that?]
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. . . . and let's not forget the demand for refrigerated trucks to hold the bodies.
washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/17/texas-mortuary-trailers-covid-surge/

"It won't happen to me. I'm careful and nobody in my family or friends has it."
wrote some dikhead graduate of the University of Facebook and Twitter State University. Don't forget the wonderful 500,000+ medical bankruptcies a year if your country doesn't have Universal Healthcare.
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US Covid Death Rate = 2141 per million
Aust Covid Death Rate = 50 per million

2141/50 = 43 times as bad. Lockdowns are only an inconvenience. Prevention is better than a cure or in this case Death.
Where I live, I think the longest period of lockdown was a three day weekend. We wear masks when out in public at theatres, shopping, clubs etc but that is it. No lockdown here. I think foreigners see a few images/videos of Melbourne and equate that to the rest of the country.
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This one was just made public as Alberta Health Services kept it to themselves for the longest time but now that is public people are freaking out and deservedly so. Pregnant women are allowed to have a support person with them in the hospital even if that support person is covid positive, they say they adapt to the environment, you know how you adapt to the environment keep them out of the f****** Hospital.

The reason why this pisses me and so many other people off his first of all our emergency rooms are bursting at the seams we are also in triage protocol and we've also brought military nurses in to help us deal with the overwhelming situation and now it's almost impossible to have sympathy for the nurses when you find this s*** out and they condone it
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After the extremely violent protests of No-Vaxxers and people from the extreme right, in Rome, i'm becoming quite a bit disillusioned by the tactics our government is using in order to return to a sort of normality.
I'm definitely losing my faith in fucking anything our politicians do or say about this pandemic, to be honest. I just had it enough.

Gimme one reason why people should get a COVID passport, only to enter a fucking movie theater or a restaurant. It's not like they're showing fucking TITANIC or Ben Hur where people are willing to make a long line to get a seat.
It's a joke, literally.

Don't all these politicians realize how many people are job less or struggle to maintain a normal life thanks to this shit?
I don't think so.
Besides, our current COVID passport is ONLY valid to travel to and from Italy and other countries of the EU. So, no Canada, USA, Australia or the UK.
What if I fucking wanted to go live in the USA or Canada? I just can't, thanks to fucking EU and Italy.
So i'm stuck, job less and extremely pissed off, in this joke of a country. And they're already talking about third doses. Gimme a break.

I completed my vaccination cycle in September, I got my COVID passport and i'm still right where I was 2 years ago.
Nothing fucking changed, and nothing will with a third dose, either.
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In the UK they have just published a paper saying we locked down too late, we still have the worst case rate in Europe at 40,000 cases a day.
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