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Love Buzz · 25th October 2019, 14:53

AEW was a bit weird this week. Started with the hot match where they do everything and then the rest paled in comparison. Having an ending where the crowd is booing a finish is not a good look. And then to top it off Moxley essentially burying the company for having time limits. Not great. It kinda buries the main event slot for TV since that will always be the most constrained, where as NXT have an overrun.

It reminded me of a wwe ppv, where they have a hot match to start and you think this is great, but ends up where the crowd doesn't care about the rest if it pales, that is until the main event, and then they have a crappy finish. Wasn't quite like that though as the crowd were still there but if this was wwe, they'd have been sitting on their hands.

Why did they save a draw for the main event, I can't see how that's a good idea. They should have restructured and went off the air with the chaos brawl between the Rhodes group and Inner Circle.

talltrekkie · 25th October 2019, 17:09

I think a draw for Mox and PAC makes sense, PAC is still unbeaten in singles and can be the next challenger for the belt while Moxley is still a strong obstacle for Kenny to overcome and stop his funk. A draw keeps both guys strong without having a smoz finish like a certain other company does all the time and they keep mentioning the time limit so they gotta have a match hit it eventually. Mox can explain the 'Time limit, my ass' as him being an intensely passionate competitor who was unhappy he didn't get a win.

Ending with the brawl would have worked, but I think they're trying to not have a talk/interview segment be last on the show as that's another thing that happens all the time in the other company. A good brawl, a bit surprising they used DDP and not Hangman.

Love Buzz · 25th October 2019, 18:13

You summed it all up well. I needed to read that. I fell on my over emotional horse shit because of the fans in attendance being so pissy, it's infectious. I didn't even think about Hangman, I guess they went for the marginal ratings spike and pop.

talltrekkie · 26th October 2019, 04:12

OK, so an 'extended cut' of this week's Dynamite just finished with it's 5 minutes of overrun(which I switched to after Smackdown so I only saw the overrun). After Mox says his line in the camera that ended Wednesday's show, PAC hits him from behind and sets him up for a Black Arrow with Mox's neck in a chair. Out comes Kenny to run him off and Mox is wary but saved. PAC is backing up the ramp and runs into Hangman Page, PAC eventually goes off into the crowd and Hangman tells him they have a match at Full Gear(or whatever the PPV is called).

talltrekkie · 26th October 2019, 05:02

And Jake Hager's fight ended as a no contest due to an inadvertent strike to the groin(not Jake's). Thank god he's not still in WWE or Vince would turn that into a gimmick so fast...

Lando Griffin · 26th October 2019, 06:40

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Ivelisse was in the Casino Battle Royal for the AEW All Out Buy In show. Where that leads who knows..

Good to hear about Ivelisse. So far I haven't been all that impressed with AEW's women's division, so maybe she'll turn up there full time.

Do you happen to know what became of Son of Havoc and Marty the Moth from Lucha Underground?

Love Buzz · 26th October 2019, 17:04

Son of Havoc (Matt Cross) is on the indy scene in many different promotions.

Marty the Moth (Martin Casaus) judging from the imdb looks to be doing some acting and the indy scene.

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And Jake Hager's fight ended as a no contest due to an inadvertent strike to the groin

I read a quick summary on that and it sounded sketchy. He just stuck to a certain method and it sounded like it wasn't really paying off. Think he may have been in over his head and managed to get away with it but I don't have much a clue about MMA.

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'extended cut' of this week's Dynamite just finished with it's 5 minutes of overrun

Ugh, I hope that isn't a trend, don't like that sort of thing but at least it's convenient after SD. I heard Meltzer talk about it along with fucking spoilers for Dark. Idk why they do that and don't even give warning. Hangman and PAC doesn't really do anything for me. Is it a no 1 contender match or is that Kenny and Moxley, or more likely the respective winners will face off for the no 1 contender spot. Or maybe we'll get a fucked finish cause like 50 guys are involved and Cody will face him again... unless they ban faction members from ringside which would be nice.

talltrekkie · 26th October 2019, 17:33

Hangman made it sound like it's a de facto rubber match since he pinned PAC last week and previously PAC had won(after hitting him in the balls). Right now, I'd have Mox and PAC win on PPV to setup a rematch that doubles as #1 contenders.

I thought I saw somewhere that AEW is going to release rankings for all divisions right before Full Gear to aim in determining who gets title shots. Which would possibly torpedo my idea.

Hopefully they go with the '1 person in the corner' thing that Cody-Spears had for Cody-Jericho. Could be used to setup a Hager-Dustin match or something since Brandi has said she's stepping away from that for now, possibly to begin setting her up as a wrestler again. It could be MJF cornering Cody again, but Hager-MJF doesn't sound interesting.

carolina73 · 26th October 2019, 18:40

Santa is not real. The Easter bunny is not either. I assume you are not 12, so I am not ruining your day.
It is all fake no matter what you want to pretend. They are spectacular athletes and also decent actors. If both sides did not know what the other was going to do then they would be severely hurting each other.
So if you do not like your current soap opera then you are changing loyalty for the characters.
So, I agree that the characters of today are not as good as the characters of the early years but that is opinion. Some people thought Shawn Micheals, Rick Flair, Goldberg... were good but it made us change the channel and maybe come back later. The others are just wrestlers that want to be in the WWE just like arena or CFL football players want to get to the NFL. The focus on woman's wrestling is a political waste of money. There are a few quality actors and a group of cartoons.
It all saves me from watching Bachelor or Dancing with the Stars type crap with my wife.

Love Buzz · 27th October 2019, 15:55

I can't see Dustin being out there, just a weird fit, especially if he's got the paint on. Might be the turn of MJF already? It's a way out for Jericho and MJF sort of fits in with the Inner Circle better, although I'm not sure if Jericho/MJF are a good mix as they have a similar promo style and Jericho might overshadow him. We had a turn on Cody not that long ago though with Spears so it's probably unlikely.

Hangman needs more steam or save him for down the road. He doesn't feel important in this company yet. Pac vs Moxley looks the way to go in a no 1 contender but kind of leads to Moxley since he's the good guy, can't really have bad v bad as you inevitably turn one then cause the crowd got to cheer someone. I don't see Cody winning yet as it's a bit too quick. I wonder if Mitch the plant will make a comeback lol. Perhaps bitch the cactus would be better.

25th October 2019, 14:53	#11
Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,659 Thanks: 5,723 Thanked 13,026 Times in 2,762 Posts	AEW was a bit weird this week. Started with the hot match where they do everything and then the rest paled in comparison. Having an ending where the crowd is booing a finish is not a good look. And then to top it off Moxley essentially burying the company for having time limits. Not great. It kinda buries the main event slot for TV since that will always be the most constrained, where as NXT have an overrun. It reminded me of a wwe ppv, where they have a hot match to start and you think this is great, but ends up where the crowd doesn't care about the rest if it pales, that is until the main event, and then they have a crappy finish. Wasn't quite like that though as the crowd were still there but if this was wwe, they'd have been sitting on their hands. Why did they save a draw for the main event, I can't see how that's a good idea. They should have restructured and went off the air with the chaos brawl between the Rhodes group and Inner Circle.

25th October 2019, 17:09	#12
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 749 Thanks: 1,529 Thanked 806 Times in 341 Posts	I think a draw for Mox and PAC makes sense, PAC is still unbeaten in singles and can be the next challenger for the belt while Moxley is still a strong obstacle for Kenny to overcome and stop his funk. A draw keeps both guys strong without having a smoz finish like a certain other company does all the time and they keep mentioning the time limit so they gotta have a match hit it eventually. Mox can explain the 'Time limit, my ass' as him being an intensely passionate competitor who was unhappy he didn't get a win. Ending with the brawl would have worked, but I think they're trying to not have a talk/interview segment be last on the show as that's another thing that happens all the time in the other company. A good brawl, a bit surprising they used DDP and not Hangman.

25th October 2019, 18:13	#13
Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,659 Thanks: 5,723 Thanked 13,026 Times in 2,762 Posts	You summed it all up well. I needed to read that. I fell on my over emotional horse shit because of the fans in attendance being so pissy, it's infectious. I didn't even think about Hangman, I guess they went for the marginal ratings spike and pop.

26th October 2019, 04:12	#14
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 749 Thanks: 1,529 Thanked 806 Times in 341 Posts	OK, so an 'extended cut' of this week's Dynamite just finished with it's 5 minutes of overrun(which I switched to after Smackdown so I only saw the overrun). After Mox says his line in the camera that ended Wednesday's show, PAC hits him from behind and sets him up for a Black Arrow with Mox's neck in a chair. Out comes Kenny to run him off and Mox is wary but saved. PAC is backing up the ramp and runs into Hangman Page, PAC eventually goes off into the crowd and Hangman tells him they have a match at Full Gear(or whatever the PPV is called).

26th October 2019, 05:02	#15
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 749 Thanks: 1,529 Thanked 806 Times in 341 Posts	And Jake Hager's fight ended as a no contest due to an inadvertent strike to the groin(not Jake's). Thank god he's not still in WWE or Vince would turn that into a gimmick so fast...

26th October 2019, 17:33	#18
talltrekkie Registered User Addicted Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 749 Thanks: 1,529 Thanked 806 Times in 341 Posts	Hangman made it sound like it's a de facto rubber match since he pinned PAC last week and previously PAC had won(after hitting him in the balls). Right now, I'd have Mox and PAC win on PPV to setup a rematch that doubles as #1 contenders. I thought I saw somewhere that AEW is going to release rankings for all divisions right before Full Gear to aim in determining who gets title shots. Which would possibly torpedo my idea. Hopefully they go with the '1 person in the corner' thing that Cody-Spears had for Cody-Jericho. Could be used to setup a Hager-Dustin match or something since Brandi has said she's stepping away from that for now, possibly to begin setting her up as a wrestler again. It could be MJF cornering Cody again, but Hager-MJF doesn't sound interesting.

26th October 2019, 18:40	#19
carolina73 Registered User Addicted Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 585 Thanks: 1,616 Thanked 1,739 Times in 509 Posts	Santa is not real. The Easter bunny is not either. I assume you are not 12, so I am not ruining your day. It is all fake no matter what you want to pretend. They are spectacular athletes and also decent actors. If both sides did not know what the other was going to do then they would be severely hurting each other. So if you do not like your current soap opera then you are changing loyalty for the characters. So, I agree that the characters of today are not as good as the characters of the early years but that is opinion. Some people thought Shawn Micheals, Rick Flair, Goldberg... were good but it made us change the channel and maybe come back later. The others are just wrestlers that want to be in the WWE just like arena or CFL football players want to get to the NFL. The focus on woman's wrestling is a political waste of money. There are a few quality actors and a group of cartoons. It all saves me from watching Bachelor or Dancing with the Stars type crap with my wife.

27th October 2019, 15:55	#20
Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,659 Thanks: 5,723 Thanked 13,026 Times in 2,762 Posts	I can't see Dustin being out there, just a weird fit, especially if he's got the paint on. Might be the turn of MJF already? It's a way out for Jericho and MJF sort of fits in with the Inner Circle better, although I'm not sure if Jericho/MJF are a good mix as they have a similar promo style and Jericho might overshadow him. We had a turn on Cody not that long ago though with Spears so it's probably unlikely. Hangman needs more steam or save him for down the road. He doesn't feel important in this company yet. Pac vs Moxley looks the way to go in a no 1 contender but kind of leads to Moxley since he's the good guy, can't really have bad v bad as you inevitably turn one then cause the crowd got to cheer someone. I don't see Cody winning yet as it's a bit too quick. I wonder if Mitch the plant will make a comeback lol. Perhaps bitch the cactus would be better.