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Previous responses in this thread make it clear that beauty remains in the eye of the beholder. As Ebbie said http://veterperementour.ru/showpost.p...1&postcount=52 , "Depends on which body type one likes surely?"

But since we're talking about the absolute best here, I think we can do better than just throw up our hands and say that it all comes down to personal taste. The following three criteria are, if not wholly objective, at least measurable (and would be physically measurable if the model were actually present). Here, I think, are the neccessary characteristics for truly deciding who has the absolute top natural fem bodies in the business: criteria which many of us, if not all, might well agree on. (Links are all to PATM hi-def threads, not pix, because part of the OP criteria is that the models had to do certain types of vids, no pure soft stuff, and these links verify that criterion.)

Remember, we're not just talking about idiosyncratic personal taste here. My judgement concerning which models best fit the criteria below might be idiosyncratic, but the criteria themselves, I believe, are not. These are criteria that I'm fairly sure apply to the taste of the largest number of males in the utilitarian sense: the greatest appeal to the greatest number.

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1. The stomach must be almost as flat as a supermodel's. The physique should not be ultra-thin with ribs sticking out like a skeleton, but on the other hand the viewer should not be able to notice any extra padding.

2. Breasts need to have a good natural hang. They don't need to be very big, but they must have a distinct shape, hanging at least a little bit rather than having the kind of toilet-plunger roundness characteristic of older boob jobs. Unfortunately, smaller naturals often look like that too even if they're not flat (e.g. Serpente Edita http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=719937). That's no good if we're talking about the best natural bodies! The best breasts will tell you at a glance that they're genuinely natural; they don't make you wait until the action starts to see if they jiggle the right way.

3. hip-to-waist ratio must be as close to the ideal hourglass shape as possible.

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There are very few models who fulfill all three of these criteria. For example, Gina Gerson (http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=604892) has a great hip-to-waist ratio but is both a bit too skinny and has formless (toilet-plunger rounded) breasts and so falls down on counts 1 & 3. Anjelica (http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=515808) is almost too skinny but not quite, so she's OK for #1, and she clearly fulfills #3, but like Gina falls down on #2 with her small too-circular breasts. Unfortunately, all of the super-petite models are going to have trouble with 2 & 3. The opposite problem is faced by models with frames on the bigger side. My criteria allows not even the slighest trace of a tire around the middle unless the model is bent in an extreme concave position, which means that models like Aria Giovanni (sorry, no link) and Valentina Nappi (http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=609597), both of whom pass tests 2 & 3 with an A++ grade, unhappily flunk test 1. And finally, many models who are neither super-petite nor on the bigger-boned side and who have great racks--models who pass tests 1 & 2 with no trouble--will have a difficult time with test 3. For example, take Alli Rae (http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=750717) and Raven Rockette (http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=669936), who between them absolutely stun on #2: they probably have the best naturally-shaped medium-sized racks in the business. They are also slender enough to qualify for #1 (Raven sometimes doesn't pass test 1 but in some clips she does). But they crash and burn on #3 because their hip-to-waist ratio doesn't cut it; their hips just don't flare out sufficiently from their waist to get close enough to the hourglass shape.

Oh, and a hard rap on the cyberknuckles to previous posters who've suggested models with fake boobs such as Vanessa Lane. The OP clearly said "natural"!

So which models, really for sure, have the best natural bods according to these criteria? My opinion might differ from that of others, but for what it's worth, here goes:

For starters, not most of the OP's original list of examples.
* Faye Valentine/Reagan (http://veterperementour.ru/t359698-fa...ye-reagan.html) is good on 1 & 3 but doesn't quite fit criteria 2; yes, she's natural, but her breasts aren't "hangy" enough.
* Mandy Dee (http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=360056) hands down fulfills criteria 2 and most of the time just barely manages to pass test 1 (though she's right on the edge--it's debatable)--but if you see her standing straight up and down instead of posed with a hip stuck out to the side, you'll find that she doesn't pass test 3.
* Carli Banks (no link because the thread is long inactive) passes 1 & 3 with flying colors, but even if she's natural she sure looks fake, so doesn't pass test 2.

So the only two models on the OP's list who pass are Peach (http://veterperementour.ru/t366250-re...ch-pamela.html) and Ariel (http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=360605), both of whom fulfill all three criteria. And BTW, you gotta admire Peach--she's one of those big-boned models who are in constant danger of slipping up just a little on that starvation diet and tipping themselves out of category 1, but as far as I can tell, for her entire career she has fulfilled criterion 1. She must have iron self-discipline.

Of models suggested by other respondents up to this point, we'll have to ignore suggestions by posters who failed to post either a good high-quality pic providing sufficient frontal view to c/o all 3 criteria, OR a link to a planetsuzy thread for the model. I tried to do searches for some of the text-only posts but more often than not I came up blank, so have to assume they don't have threads--and in that case they are useless for planetsuzy users. So after seven or eight searches where only two revealed a planetsuzy thread, I decided it just wasn't worth my time.

That said, the previous suggestions which pass muster are:

Heather Hunter
Jenny Gregg
Karina White
Connie Carter / Josephine http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=359492
Zulfija
Natasha Dolling
Andie Valentino http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=362178
Tabitha Luv / Fox (sure wish she had been born later so we could have some hi-def of that!)
Rita Faltoyano http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=368111 early work only; later on she lost criterion #1
Hayden Winters http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=360240
Zuzana Drabinova
Marry Queen / Miela http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=361004 sometimes she edges past #1 but mostly stays within range
Maya Rae http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=795757
Dani Daniels
Angel Dark http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=360129
Haruka Sanada
Charlie James
Petra Mis
Stella Cox http://veterperementour.ru/t736434-stella-cox.html
Kendra Roll http://veterperementour.ru/t826895-p3-kendra-roll.html
Katrina Jade (but she's in constant danger of crossing the border of #1)
Aidra (NOT "Adria") Fox http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=714553
Samantha Bentley (but only sometimes when she's not pudgy)
Autumn Falls but only sometimes (too pudgy most of the time)
Gabbie Carter http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=955725 -- though I have to say I'm cheating here. I don't really think she fulfills #3, but she kills #2 so spectacularly that she at least merits an honorable mention.

Here are a few other models that fulfill all three criteria and therefore truly merit the title of "Best Natural Body". Once again, relative to the number of models available, there aren't many! Also, remember that for the OP facial prettiness was not a criteria. This is all below the neck.

Lana Rhoades http://veterperementour.ru/t839460-lana-rhoades.html (until she got the recent goshawful boob job)
Elena Rae http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=535479 (only in her early work; later she blew #1)
Abby Rains http://veterperementour.ru/t772124-abby-rain.html
Lady Jay http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?p=17735853
Mila Azul http://veterperementour.ru/t828399-p1...mila-azul.html
Ariadna http://veterperementour.ru/t682309-ir...a-ariadna.html
Catie Parker http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=671940
Layla Sin http://veterperementour.ru/t646393-layla-sin.html
Chelsy Sun http://veterperementour.ru/t725662-ch...sic-lucka.html
Haley Hill http://veterperementour.ru/t857216-ha...yvan-hill.html (almost fails #1 but not quite)
Jennifer Stone http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=360769 (too bad she's so long retired and there's almost nothing in the thread)
Gianna Dior http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=922678
Beata Undine http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=360070
Paloma http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=587468
Penny Brooks http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=366563 (unfortunately very little in our thread)
Lily Labeau http://veterperementour.ru/t360379-li...ly-labeau.html
Ivana Bianchi http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=363692 --Wow! And VERY unfortunately, we have only a couple of items from her. Any superposters care to remedy that?
Lolly Gartner http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=745011
Presley Hart http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=494603 until sometime in 2017 or 2018 when she tossed her diet into the trash and began flunking test 1 in truly spectacular fashion (or maybe she had a kid nobody knows about; women's bodies permanently change after pregnancy).
Shae Summers http://veterperementour.ru/t709372-shae-summers.html sometimes edges past #1 but mostly stays within range--very impressive self-discipline considering her well-padded frame.
Shortie Breeze http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=774024
Victoria Puppy http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=581419 until she blew #2 right out of the water by going fake early this year.
Karlie Montana http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=362674
Lilli Dixon http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=765657 unfortunately very little in our thread for her. More posts, please!
Molly Jane http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=743317
Samantha Hayes http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=767592
Staci Silverstone http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=610218
Whitney Westgate http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=599528
Zoe Wood http://veterperementour.ru/t777836-zoe-wood.html

Honorable Mention: Elsa Jean http://veterperementour.ru/showthread.php?t=794817 Among super-petite models, Elsa comes closest to fulfilling all three criteria. Obviously she's skinny enough. And hands down, she boasts the most shapely pair of truly tiny breasts on the planet. They are genuinely microscopic but still have shape; and on #3 Elsa is so close it's heartbreaking. I don't think she quite makes it, but just one or two more degrees of slope and she'd cross the line, so I'm tempted to just give here one point of extra credit and call it good. At any rate, she sports enough hips to be worth a mention in that department rather than be described as utterly lacking. Once again: just a little bit more flare and she'd make the grade. For someone who's sized super-petite, that's very, very good indeed.

That's not a wrap, of course; I'm not conversant with the entire universe of models so there will be a bunch of currently working actresses I've missed simply because I don't know who they are. And of course others may differ on who fulfills the criteria and how well. But there's my list for whatever it was worth.
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Previous responses in this thread make it clear that beauty remains in the eye of the beholder.

There are doctoral dissertations that have been defended with less vigor. Serious kudos to you for the break down. Your list and reasoning are seriously legit.

However, there just isn't a mathematical equation to beauty, no Vitruvian Pornstar, if you will. This thread is cool because it's a decade's worth of natural beauties with which to reminisce. Each girl so close to some ideal perfection yet such a wide variety of looks and unique features.
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It certainly did require some effort--the recognition is much appreciated.

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Plato would disagree! well, at least metaphysically (see the Phaedo, the Phaedrus, & especially the Symposium). But I'm forced to admit that he'd allow your point in our material world of imperfect shadows--which is why I was careful to hedge my bets by framing the criteria within a modified utilitarianism.


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Can't disagree there. Ultimately, variety is the spice of life.
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