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Karmafan · 24th November 2015, 02:20

This would have been a good opportunity to shave Shaemus's head and have him debut with the new Mr. Clean look. Its hard to take him seriously as champ with the foolish looking mohawk.

Also hate when HHH/Steph take control of the show and throw their weight around. Focus of the show should be on the wrestlers.

I don't get why the WWE brought back the Dudleys only to have them job to one tag team after another. When they first appeared they blew the roof off the building. All that positive energy is gone now from jobbing.

OMFG.... poor Mark Henry. Jobbing to Neville?

Vile · 24th November 2015, 07:41

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Originally Posted by Karmafan

This would have been a good opportunity to shave Shaemus's head and have him debut with the new Mr. Clean look. Its hard to take him seriously as champ with the foolish looking mohawk.

Also hate when HHH/Steph take control of the show and throw their weight around. Focus of the show should be on the wrestlers.

I don't get why the WWE brought back the Dudleys only to have them job to one tag team after another. When they first appeared they blew the roof off the building. All that positive energy is gone now from jobbing.

OMFG.... poor Mark Henry. Jobbing to Neville?

I think the Mohawk is fine. It makes him stand out. If he shaved his head he'd look more generic. Besides, he still has some good hair. Most of the bald guys in wrestling lose their hair not by choice!

Agreed on HHH/Steph. The Authority storyline has long since run it's course. They don't need to be out there anymore.

I'm glad the Dudleys jobbed to the Wyatt family tonight. At least it gives them a tiny bit of credibility back. In fact, I don't think the Dudleys have jobbed enough since returning. They should be putting the Ascension over, not beating them in squash matches. Same goes for Henry/Neville. I'm glad the old guy put over the young talent. We were just saying how Taker and Kane should have lost to the Wyatts, to build up the young stars. I think it's the same in all these cases.

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Grandmaster_J · 25th November 2015, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Karmafan

This would have been a good opportunity to shave Shaemus's head and have him debut with the new Mr. Clean look. Its hard to take him seriously as champ with the foolish looking mohawk.

They didn't do anything to put him over as the new champion. It was as usual all about Nipple H .. then he gets pummeled at the end of Raw. Sheamus is definitely just going to be filling in that Seth Rollins role.

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I don't get why the WWE brought back the Dudleys only to have them job to one tag team after another. When they first appeared they blew the roof off the building. All that positive energy is gone now from jobbing.

Well they went into a feud with New Day. No surprise why they lost so much steam.. But I hope Bully/Bubba breaks away from D-Von. He's terrible in the ring and just doesn't have it anymore if anyone has been really paying attention. Bully/Bubba I want him to break away and go into singles competition.

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I'm glad the Dudleys jobbed to the Wyatt family tonight. At least it gives them a tiny bit of credibility back. In fact, I don't think the Dudleys have jobbed enough since returning. They should be putting the Ascension over, not beating them in squash matches. Same goes for Henry/Neville. I'm glad the old guy put over the young talent..

The Dudleys jobbing was to stop the bleeding but with how far they've fallen since coming back. It really doesn't help out the Wyatts at all.. A faction led by a guy full of talent but never comes out on top of his feuds, a shame. As for Henry/Neville, wouldn't it have been better if there was some build to it? Instead of it being completely random like that.

Love Buzz · 26th November 2015, 18:09

Sheamus winning is manipulation of the audience. They know most of us think Sheamus sucks and that we'll boo the crap out of him and have no choice but to cheer Roman. They are trying to give Roman the Daniel Bryan underdog story but it isn't going to work because it's forced. They can do what they want but it's beyond pathetic now that the fans are always wrong in their view.

Karmafan · 26th November 2015, 19:34

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Sheamus winning is manipulation of the audience. They know most of us think Sheamus sucks and that we'll boo the crap out of him and have no choice but to cheer Roman. They are trying to give Roman the Daniel Bryan underdog story but it isn't going to work because it's forced. They can do what they want but it's beyond pathetic now that the fans are always wrong in their view.

You are absolutely right. It used to be the fans cheered and booed for who they wanted and the WWE more or less gave belts and matches to us that would increase the fans satisfaction of the product.

Recently (around the time RAW went to 3 hours and the WWE Network started) the WWE changed to manipulating the fans behind the curtain for us to cheer or boo who the WWE WANTS us to cheer or boo for. They put the cart before the horse and fans are deserting the shows because of it.

Grandmaster_J · 26th November 2015, 22:01

Don't forget ya Vince has that mindset of "We tell you who to like" . That's why the program continues to be shit.

Love Buzz · 27th November 2015, 17:01

It's sad really because Sheamus doesn't have to be boring but he has been booked like an idiot to the point nobody has any reason to care and scripted terribly by a bunch of clueless writers, like the majority of the roster I should add. Looking at Raw, he was acting like Seth would, all smug and jokey, only worse acted and he has his own J & J in Rusev and Barrett. You can't just replace him with somebody who acts somewhat similar but that is their logic.

28th November 2015, 19:21

I'm happy that Sheamus won. He had a couple of slow years in 2013 & 2014, it is great to see him back on top of the heap. I would like to see him bring back the Crucifix Powerbomb instead of the Brogue Kick, but HHH might want not him to because that was Razor's finisher. He still has White Noise, which is pretty cool when he does it to bigger guys, even the size of Big Show. He is a powerhouse and pretty good on the mic.

The only bad part is that having a Heel as champ prohibits other heels from challenging him for the title. We wouldn't get to see an epic clash like Heel Sheamus VS Heel Kevin Owens, or Heel Sheamus VS Heel Bray Wyatt - so for now, the only competition WWE can give Sheamus is a roster of lacklustre face characters like Dean Ambrose and Dolph Ziggler.

Having Sheamus as champ actually sets up the long awaited rematch between him and Daniel Bryan. Sheamus beat Daniel Bryan in a quick match at Wrestlemania 28, so having Daniel Bryan win the Royal Rumble in 2016 and go on to fight Sheamus at Wrestlemania will set up a true grudge match. Then they can have their rubber match at Extreme Rules, which Bryan should win, and then Brock shows up for Summerslam to face Bryan, or Rollins returns to get his title back because he never actually lost it.

Karmafan · 28th November 2015, 19:50

Bryan is not gonna come back. They will find something else for him to do like manage a new guy but his wrestling days are over (as rumored).

24th November 2015, 02:20	#15921
Karmafan Who Cut The Cheese? Beyond Redemption Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 11,387 Thanks: 39,606 Thanked 38,110 Times in 9,853 Posts	This would have been a good opportunity to shave Shaemus's head and have him debut with the new Mr. Clean look. Its hard to take him seriously as champ with the foolish looking mohawk. Also hate when HHH/Steph take control of the show and throw their weight around. Focus of the show should be on the wrestlers. I don't get why the WWE brought back the Dudleys only to have them job to one tag team after another. When they first appeared they blew the roof off the building. All that positive energy is gone now from jobbing. OMFG.... poor Mark Henry. Jobbing to Neville? Last edited by Karmafan; 24th November 2015 at 03:41.

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Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,661 Thanks: 5,723 Thanked 13,028 Times in 2,763 Posts	Sheamus winning is manipulation of the audience. They know most of us think Sheamus sucks and that we'll boo the crap out of him and have no choice but to cheer Roman. They are trying to give Roman the Daniel Bryan underdog story but it isn't going to work because it's forced. They can do what they want but it's beyond pathetic now that the fans are always wrong in their view. Last edited by Love Buzz; 26th November 2015 at 18:09.

27th November 2015, 17:01	#15928
Love Buzz Marginalised & Ostracised Clinically Insane Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,661 Thanks: 5,723 Thanked 13,028 Times in 2,763 Posts	It's sad really because Sheamus doesn't have to be boring but he has been booked like an idiot to the point nobody has any reason to care and scripted terribly by a bunch of clueless writers, like the majority of the roster I should add. Looking at Raw, he was acting like Seth would, all smug and jokey, only worse acted and he has his own J & J in Rusev and Barrett. You can't just replace him with somebody who acts somewhat similar but that is their logic. Last edited by Love Buzz; 27th November 2015 at 17:09.

28th November 2015, 19:21	#15929
panchoville Guest Posts: n/a	I'm happy that Sheamus won. He had a couple of slow years in 2013 & 2014, it is great to see him back on top of the heap. I would like to see him bring back the Crucifix Powerbomb instead of the Brogue Kick, but HHH might want not him to because that was Razor's finisher. He still has White Noise, which is pretty cool when he does it to bigger guys, even the size of Big Show. He is a powerhouse and pretty good on the mic. The only bad part is that having a Heel as champ prohibits other heels from challenging him for the title. We wouldn't get to see an epic clash like Heel Sheamus VS Heel Kevin Owens, or Heel Sheamus VS Heel Bray Wyatt - so for now, the only competition WWE can give Sheamus is a roster of lacklustre face characters like Dean Ambrose and Dolph Ziggler. Having Sheamus as champ actually sets up the long awaited rematch between him and Daniel Bryan. Sheamus beat Daniel Bryan in a quick match at Wrestlemania 28, so having Daniel Bryan win the Royal Rumble in 2016 and go on to fight Sheamus at Wrestlemania will set up a true grudge match. Then they can have their rubber match at Extreme Rules, which Bryan should win, and then Brock shows up for Summerslam to face Bryan, or Rollins returns to get his title back because he never actually lost it. Last edited by panchoville; 28th November 2015 at 22:13.

26th November 2015, 22:01	#15927
Grandmaster_J Registered User Addicted Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Capital of the US Posts: 636 Thanks: 578 Thanked 678 Times in 389 Posts	Don't forget ya Vince has that mindset of "We tell you who to like" . That's why the program continues to be shit.

28th November 2015, 19:50	#15930
Karmafan Who Cut The Cheese? Beyond Redemption Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 11,387 Thanks: 39,606 Thanked 38,110 Times in 9,853 Posts	Bryan is not gonna come back. They will find something else for him to do like manage a new guy but his wrestling days are over (as rumored).