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[Grandmaster_J]

Originally Posted by Vile

But I understand why the crowds of those days were into them.

If you understand then why did we just go on that long debate? It was a different time period, things we're different right? -Sighs- forget it Karmafan's right but where did you find out he's not allowed to turn heel? Cena has already come out and said he doesn't want to because he doesn't see himself as a bad guy.

[Grandmaster_J]

By the way I want every to know that Yes it's no secret I can't stand Cena. I realize i'm the biggest Cena hater on here. You guys have no idea how much this guy irritates me and makes me wanna turn off wrestling whenever he's on. This forum and other places are my most healthy ways in expressing my frustration with this man.

To clarify for Vile my main reasons

1. The superhero booking
2. I can't relate to his character
3. Can't wrestle(Obviously)
4. Weak and corny promos
5. Any wrestler on a roll eventually hits the Cena ceiling.

[Booster Gold]

In a way, it's kind of sad that guys with real talent don't stick with WWE long.
Old relics like Hogan and Flair aside, most top guys that I can think of... Rock, Austin, Jericho, Batista and even CM Punk have left WWE at their peak and had successful careers outside professional wrestling, while we have to put up with generally crappy to mediocre Cena inspired PG programming.

Originally Posted by Vile

Now, moving on, and speaking of Hogan, has anyone seen this? I find it hilarious and it actually makes me think this Axelmania/Mandow pairing might be entertaining after all:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHsuWP7q-mQ

I have mixed feelings about this. I want to believe that this is the best tag team ever but I don't think I like Macho Mandow. Unlike his stunt double gimmick, it seems somewhat forced and unnatural.

[Vile]

Originally Posted by Grandmaster_J

where did you find out he's not allowed to turn heel? Cena has already come out and said he doesn't want to because he doesn't see himself as a bad guy.

I remember learning about this years ago, but this is the most recent article I've found regarding it: http://inquisitr.com/1906877/wwe...ngtime-friend/

Originally Posted by Booster Gold

In a way, it's kind of sad that guys with real talent don't stick with WWE long.
Old relics like Hogan and Flair aside, most top guys that I can think of... Rock, Austin, Jericho, Batista and even CM Punk have left WWE at their peak and had successful careers outside professional wrestling, while we have to put up with generally crappy to mediocre Cena inspired PG programming.

Austin I think mainly left because of injury, unfortunately. Punk was apparently disillusioned and wants to try his hand in MMA. In terms of the guys who started acting careers, I think they realized that they could make more money and become more famous as actors than they would if they stuck solely to the world of wrestling. I do give credit to people like the Rock who actually put the time into becoming a decent actor, and for also returning to the ring periodically. But also, one thing I do appreciate about Cena is that he's made it clear that wrestling is his life, and he won't be leaving WWE to go to Hollywood anytime soon. I'm sure Vince is happy he made WWE his priority.

Originally Posted by Booster Gold

I have mixed feelings about this. I want to believe that this is the best tag team ever but I don't think I like Macho Mandow. Unlike his stunt double gimmick, it seems somewhat forced and unnatural.

I kind of get that feeling too. It seems like he looks kind of like Macho Man, although his impression isn't that good, so that's why they put him in this role. But Axel looks nothing like Hogan, and his gimmick wasn't originally supposed to be that he thinks he IS Hogan, was it? So I think they're just putting these 2 guys into roles that will get them some air time and give us some goofy entertainment until they find out something better for them. Let's hope they do!

[Grandmaster_J]

Originally Posted by Booster Gold

I have mixed feelings about this. I want to believe that this is the best tag team ever but I don't think I like Macho Mandow. Unlike his stunt double gimmick, it seems somewhat forced and unnatural.

Almost disrespectful too.. but of course Sandow means only good. I just feel bad for this dude

[Love Buzz]

Vince clearly has no idea what to do with Sandow and why in the hell can't he suggest what he wants his character to be? Sandow should say if he wants his old gimmick back or give him a new idea because I think the Vince idea tank is almost running on empty. I think he got lucky with New Day but of course everybody will spin it to make him look like a genius.

After watching that video it reminds me of when Vince took shots at WCW back in 1995 with old versions of Randy and Hogan. I know it's not meant to be a mockery but it kind of is because it's so shitty.


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[Karmafan]

There are a couple of decent guys they don't seem to know what to do with...

Ziggler, Wyatt (his brother Bo too).

[MIB04]

I think in the case of Ziggler they're apprehensive of elevating him. They made him the champ once and he had a concussion, leaving him out of action for a month and scrapping a PPV match. Vince doesn't give many shots to guys he's not completely behind.

The only guy Cena has truly put over cleanly during his run was Brock Lesnar at Summerslam last year and I came on here and gave him credit for it.

He's lost cleanly to more guys than Lesnar including Batista, Triple H, Bryan, Orton, the Rock, Sheamus, Shawn Michaels, and JBL. HBK being the only non PPV losses, but it was awarded MOTY I wouldn't be surprised if he lost cleanly to Punk, Edge, or RVD either. Take Austin; Austin had probably 1/3 of the length of the time that Cena wrestled, but the only guys I remember him putting over cleanly were Triple H and the Rock (both after his second neck surgery). Cena has rarely been accused of not working angles with talent (like Austin with Jarrett), nor has he refused to put someone over (Triple H, Hall, Eddie, and Lesnar).

[Grandmaster_J]

Originally Posted by MIB04

He's lost cleanly to more guys than Lesnar including Batista, Triple H, Bryan, Orton, the Rock, Sheamus, Shawn Michaels, and JBL. HBK being the only non PPV losses, but it was awarded MOTY I wouldn't be surprised if he lost cleanly to Punk, Edge, or RVD either.

What is a clean victory? While the definition may be simple in nature, it is impossible for the WWE to wrap their heads around putting guys over clean against Cena. A clean victory tells the tale of wrester A losing to wrestler B with no excuses, no distractions, no outside interference, no injuries to blame, no "mistakes" to blame, merely man vs man and the "better man" wins. With John Cena, throughout his career since about 2004, there is always an excuse for a loss, there is always someone else to blame, and he has rarely ever taken a loss in a manner of which the opponent came out looking like the better man with absolutely no "Yeah, but" scenarios. There is always a "Yeah, but" or a get back match. That's the definition of clean and you just don't get that with John Cena, there is always a reason that he lost and it's never that other guy was plain and simply better in the storyline/feud.

Now let's get into the guys you mentioned..

RVD: Okay, he lost to RVD after Edge interfered

EDGE: He lost to Edge after Lita interfered

HBK: Okay he lost HBK on Raw in 07 I'll give you that

NIPPLE H: Nipple H beat him in 2008 and then attention was brought up about his pectoral muscle injury to make it seem maybe he wasn't a 100%.

JBL: He lost to JBL after literally no selling a car on fire before eventually losing but these types of matches we're it's no dq or use of weapons don't count in my book.

BATISTA: He lost to Batista and again another injury excuse for his character but this time with his herniated disk in his neck so that you may ask hmm what would the outcome be if?

Not completely clean but in fairness 2008 was the closet we've gotten of Cena having clean losses. Next year in 2009 Cena got his get back against Nipple H and Batista.

ORTON: 2009 Orton got some wins over Cena but all we're in matches with multi guys involved, or due to interference.

SHEAMUS: He lost to Sheamus in a table match where he literally jumped off unprovoked and Sheamus clearly didn't push him... Jerry Lawyer made the case that maybe Cena "fell off" the ropes.

CM PUNK: He lost to Cm Punk at MITB after being distracted by both John Laurinaitis and Vince Mcmahon, he lost to Punk again at Summerslam but only because HHH "missed" his foot on the ropes.

BRYAN: When he lost to Bryan he had the elbow excuse, the commentators we're constantly bringing up the elbow injury.

THE ROCK: It may have appeared to be clean but when he lost to The Rock he used the excuse he got cocky and made a mistake.

So to conclude any time Cena loses there's always an excuse or he gets his get back and ultimately wins the feud.

[Love Buzz]

Did anybody see what took down Ryback on Smackdown... A side push from Bray onto the padded mats. It looked really weak and he sold it for about 5 minutes before having his match. They showed it in slow motion to reveal just how weak it was but King still had to sell it for him.

Also a new fav chant in NXT. Baron's gonna bore you. He's taken the Bo Dallas heat.

Speaking of Bo his promo on Smackdown burying Bryan and his fans was fun.