WWE Fans

[vimla]

I just saw wwe.com put out a list on the 50 best talkers in wwe history, and guys like heyman and cornett where in the list one guy they didn't have was eric bischoff.

You can't tell me scott steiner has bether mic skills then eric, his run as raw gm was far more entertaing then what they put out nowadays, but I guess it's just politics and they didn't like he whent to tna after his wwe run

[Karmafan]

say what you want about him but Bischoff was a great heel GM.

[happyass]

I'm so over these wrestling storylines

[thedangle1]

I gotta agree with Grandmaster J. I do watch it every week, but Raw has been sucking badly. The only thing I look forward to is hopefully seeing either Sting or Brock. Even though they are part timers, or at least Brock is, we have yet to see Sting, they're still exciting to see, especially Lesnar. Just the buildup alone to his appearances give me goosebumps sometimes. I think Lesnar being champ now is the best thing going for the show. Lesnar is like when Ridley Scott made the first "Alien" movie. He said the less you see of the alien, the better, so that when you do see it, it scares you even more. So, I think less is better of Lesnar, so that when he does come out, it's huge and exciting. Seeing Cena every week is getting old and boring. And yes, I've always hated the Adam Rose gimmick and that fucking bunny!! Really makes you miss the Attitude Era when I see that damn bunny.

[Vile]

SlaterGator theme is pretty good! At first I didn't think their songs would go together but they made it work. Heath and Titus look like they're friends in real life; those are the best teams.

Paige to Total Divas? I can't help but wonder why. People like her and AJ are considered the real wrestlers of the division, whereas the Total Divas are the talentless jokes. The whole thing is pretty fake anyway, maybe they just want to make a storyline out of it.

Raw has been pretty bad lately, I'll agree. But it's hardly the worst it's ever been. There's still a lot of good stuff. You get at least one or two good matches per week. It's a far cry from the past, where it consisted of 2 jobber matches and then a main event of something like IRS vs. Doink. I think we look at the past with rose colored glasses. As much as I dislike Cena, he's no Hogan in the ring. So I'd rather watch a Cena main event than something like Hogan/Warlord or Diesel/King Mabel anyday.

And as for the attitude era, there's another example of people only remembering the good stuff. I was in MSG when Mae Young gave birth to a hand, and everyone groaned. I remembered thinking to myself, "wrestling can't get much worse than this."

[Grandmaster_J]

1 or 2 good matches? I'm jealous of you if that's all you need to get through their 3 hours of crap. No offense.

This company just needs competition so bad... The whole Attitude Era came about simple because Wcw was kicking Vince ass in the ratings. So he was forced to change, the way the company is now is exactly how Vince always wanted it. So long as they only cater to the women and children there's no room for the men to like much about the product. These new generation of fans aren't going to demand change, they just sit there and chant "CM Punk" all night and think that's demanding. No it isn't.. they gotta do more than that and make Vince stop with this bs he puts out. Vince, right now is in that state of mind that "We tell the fans what they want" and it shouldn't be like that.

[vimla]

There is no suprise on how Cena is booked as a face who will never turn heel and seldom looses his feuds.

You can only look on how he booked Hogan back in the 80's and if it hadn't been for Bischoff hogan would have turned heel.

But you're right as if it hadn't been for wcw the attitude era in wwe would have never happend as Bischoff saw one demo wwe wasn't popolar in which was the 18-34 amle demo.

So he whent after that demo and the whole wcw rating winning streak against wwe was born, but as wwe doesn't have any competition anymore they can go back to the childish humor which vince loves

[Vile]

Originally Posted by Grandmaster_J

1 or 2 good matches? I'm jealous of you if that's all you need to get through their 3 hours of crap. No offense.

None taken. It's just that I try to see the positive and there are reasons for me to keep watching. If I really hated the product I would just turn it off. Yes, you guys are right about the reasons Vince had to change the product back in the 90's, and you're right about him getting exactly what he wants now. But it begs the question, if you hate it so much, why do you watch it?

Originally Posted by Grandmaster_J

These new generation of fans aren't going to demand change, they just sit there and chant "CM Punk" all night and think that's demanding. No it isn't.. they gotta do more than that and make Vince stop with this bs he puts out. Vince, right now is in that state of mind that "We tell the fans what they want" and it shouldn't be like that.

As long as people keep tuning in, the shows get ratings and Vince will continue to do whatever he likes. The fans in the arena are chanting "CM Punk" to voice their displeasure, but they still bought tickets and he already has their money, so he doesn't care what they have to say. Same with complaining about it on the internet. He doesn't read or care what you're writing. You watched his show and that put money in his pocket. If you really want to make a statement, stop watching. There are plenty of other alternatives (TNA, ROH, indies, Japan, Mexico, etc.).

[Grandmaster_J]

None taken. It's just that I try to see the positive and there are reasons for me to keep watching. If I really hated the product I would just turn it off. Yes, you guys are right about the reasons Vince had to change the product back in the 90's, and you're right about him getting exactly what he wants now. But it begs the question, if you hate it so much, why do you watch it?

I answered that question in my huge rant after Raw why I still watch it. I know I come off as completely hating it but I don't. I'm just more stating I hate what it's become. I want to find things I like about the product as well. There are some because of the WWE's way of throwing everyone a cure ball every now and then.

As long as people keep tuning in, the shows get ratings and Vince will continue to do whatever he likes. The fans in the arena are chanting "CM Punk" to voice their displeasure, but they still bought tickets and he already has their money, so he doesn't care what they have to say. Same with complaining about it on the internet. He doesn't read or care what you're writing. You watched his show and that put money in his pocket. If you really want to make a statement, stop watching. There are plenty of other alternatives (TNA, ROH, indies, Japan, Mexico, etc.).

Chanting Phil's name is just becoming a fad at this point. There are fans who stop watching everyday. For the ones who continue to watch, this is again why I said if they don't demand better than yes Vince will continue to put out this product on his show. For years fans proved to him that they don't want wrestling, so he has no reason to give them wrestling. Instead this WWE universe likes the soap opera storylines and shit. I speak on it because I want this new generations to be able to experience how great wrestling can be, like I and many other older fans did when we were growing up. It's not so much for me but for them, they watch and support WWE and that's fine, but they deserve better. People should never just settle, so please don't downplay it all by saying their voices won't be heard, because they were in the past and can now, no matter where they're coming from. Daniel Bryan being a perfect exactly, if it wasn't him getting that spotlight then people didn't like it and let their voices be heard, online, in the arena, at ppvs, etc. The customer is always right.

Lastly I watch almost all those alternatives just like i did when WcW and the original ECW was around, because I love wrestling, which is one of the reasons why i get so upset when i turn on Raw. They got the millions of fans, they've got the big stage, they're loaded with talent, and well this is it.

[Son_of_Odin]

WWE is so bad at the moment (except Brock, Heyman and Ambrose)... They need a new hot storyline likes Nexus a few years ago.

And please: bring Stone Cold back and give us Sting!