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22nd June 2021, 22:20 | #11 |
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do subs originate with the studios? i notice that some of them (big mouth) are HORRID, while some -- even ones claiming to be autogenerated -- are pretty much perfect. (not talking synch here; i mean actual content)
youtube offers a choice of subs or closed caption -- the latter warns of being autogenerated -- but, lo and behond, the CC ones are far better!! at least on some recent batch i was looking at. all the slang, etc., expressions spot on; i rly don't see how that was autogenerated. funniest bad sub i've seen recently was in the ken jeong standup special. he says "so i'm sitting in my mansion, eating paté..." and the subs rendered it "pad Thai". lol. profiled! |
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hey, one i just DLed from opensubtitles says
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also...the FPS number at the end? am i to conclude some vids CHANGE the speed, and therefore subs no longer synch up? i have long wondered that, but frankly, the "subtitle speed" setting under track synch never changes anything! |
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3rd July 2021, 14:15 | #13 |
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Don't know about the "HI".
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The file is created and timed to work with the 4 releases noted. The FPS will vary on release format and location. I forget more than I remember because this stuff just works on newer hardware (knowing specs used to be important with old hardware and getting playback to display properly). Anyway, here are the basics from the wiki: 23.976 Hz (film-looking frame rate compatible with NTSC clock speed standards) 24 Hz (international film and ATSC high-definition material) 25 Hz (PAL film, DVB standard-definition and high-definition material) 29.97 Hz (NTSC film and standard-definition material) 30 Hz (NTSC film, ATSC high-definition material) 50 Hz (DVB high-definition material) 59.94 Hz (ATSC high-definition material) 60 Hz (ATSC high-definition material) In general, the US was 60hz and Europe was 50hz (based from AC power specs). This can vary from TV to movies, and more recently since moving to HD isn't an issue any longer. This is why there used to be playback issues with DVD's from different regions (ie: trying to play a US disc in the UK or vice versa). With digital files and players, it's mostly irrelevant. But mixing a video of one type with a subtitle file for a different type will likely result in timing issues. |
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"HI" means Hearing Impaired. Subs labeled HI include descriptions of onscreen sounds (for example, "door creaks open" or "gunshot in distance") for viewers who cannot hear them.
This differentiates them from subs that are primarily used for language translation. |
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and isn't that the whole point of CC as well? subs are just dialogue; CC throws in all the sound effects / stage dirs, etc. that has been my experience. |
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my concern is that ppl speed things up or slow them down during ripping. no? for example, sometimes i find 2 copies of a movie -- 2:07 and 1:58, say -- where i can find no diff betw them (beginning/ending/missing parts). i come to the conclusion that the 1:58 has been "sped up" somehow. and again, what is the trick to getting "sub speed" to change? i have played with that setting to no end; bupkis! since SOME of the things i'm watching have subs whose skew gets worse as the show PROGRESSES, i think it's a "speed" issue (basic algebra). going 10% or 20% faster would logically fix things, but i can never effect such an increase. believe me, i've tried setting them to run at like 10x(!) normal speed, still they plod along same as usual and slip behind as the show proceeds. |
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With current digital media, there should be no difference in playback time unless they were taken from different sources.
Sub timing settings are there to compensate for a static difference. For example, the subs are 1 second slow. You can't compensate for a varying change. If you are trying to use a sub track from a different source, it will increasingly be wrong. For example, the track from the 2:07 movie on the 1:58 movie (or vice versa). The only fix (that I'm aware of) is to find the correct track. As this seems to be in regards to TV, I can only recommend trying the track from the same release group. If not, next by source type (ie: Blu-Ray, DVD, Amazon streaming, etc.). |
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as i have said, i can work out the pattern in many cases -- certain shows which start in synch, then fall to 4s, 7s, 10s behind with each ad -- but sometimes i cannot (ones which fall behind, then jump ahead, then fall behind again...). but they still seem to do it at ad breaks. worse is the "progressive" case -- the ever-increasing skew happens not in discrete chunks like ad breaks, but continually, slowly throughout the whole show. like, u need to set skew at 4s to synch up, but by the end of a given scene, u need 5s or 6s. an on and on. movies (which don't have ad breaks, obviously) are often in this category. Quote:
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I would have to assume that if the run times are different, the files are different. ie: one is actually shorter than the other. Most players have the ability to speed up or slow down playback. I've not seen a way to do that during ripping, nor why you would even want to. This is not uncommon for movies, especially older content, as releases will vary based on region due to censorship.
And I understand what you are saying, and we are back to the "ad breaks". Run time and "ad break" differences should NOT be a factor for material released on DVD/Blu-Ray. The only time I can see this being a factor is from a streaming source or a stream capture. At which point, the ONLY subs that are going to work are those released by that source. I don't use VLC, nor have a used that setting. And from you are saying, it doesn't work. In any event, the only way for it to work, would be for you to know before hand that there is a difference in run time between the video and the sub file, and then compensate accordingly. |
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